The potential infinity is not the actual one
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11-08-2016, 10:04 PM
RE: The potential infinity is not the actual one
(11-08-2016 09:44 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  And you are still wrong.
The S.Hawking knows, what the coordinate time (when the test-particle is exactly on the event horizon) would be actually infinite. Do you agree? The map of our Universe has finite coordinates: finite coordinate time-direction and finite space directions. Therefore, there is no Universe to begin with, when test-particle reaches the event horizon.
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11-08-2016, 10:12 PM
RE: The potential infinity is not the actual one
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11-08-2016, 10:13 PM
RE: The potential infinity is not the actual one
(11-08-2016 09:40 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  Then why do you keep talking about this "Bible"?
I am educated and I am sharing only a valid and supported knowledge here. Remember: we are the borg.
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11-08-2016, 10:15 PM
RE: The potential infinity is not the actual one
(11-08-2016 10:13 PM)theBorg Wrote:  
(11-08-2016 09:40 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  Then why do you keep talking about this "Bible"?
I am educated and I am sharing only a valid and supported knowledge here. Remember: we are the borg.

Are you satirizing Christianity?

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11-08-2016, 10:17 PM
RE: The potential infinity is not the actual one
(11-08-2016 10:04 PM)theBorg Wrote:  
(11-08-2016 09:44 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  And you are still wrong.
The S.Hawking knows, what the coordinate time (when the test-particle is exactly on the event horizon) would be actually infinite. Do you agree? The map of our Universe has finite coordinates: finite coordinate time-direction and finite space directions. Therefore, there is no Universe to begin with, when test-particle reaches the event horizon.

No, I would not agree.

From the POV of the test particle, the event horizon is crossed very quickly.
From your POV the test particle never crosses the event horizon.

Both are true for their respective frames of reference. Neither requires infinity.

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11-08-2016, 10:19 PM
RE: The potential infinity is not the actual one
(11-08-2016 10:15 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(11-08-2016 10:13 PM)theBorg Wrote:  I am educated and I am sharing only a valid and supported knowledge here. Remember: we are the borg.

Are you satirizing Christianity?

Poe's Law

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11-08-2016, 10:26 PM
RE: The potential infinity is not the actual one
(11-08-2016 10:17 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  From the POV of the test particle, the event horizon is crossed very quickly.
From your POV the test particle never crosses the event horizon.
Both are true for their respective frames of reference. Neither requires infinity.
Dear human, you are well raised in the popular science. However, I am too deep in the professional knowledge to be so happily simple. I am very complex. Yes, you are right: in the co-moving frames the theory limit predicts such difference: one crosses, other doesn't. However the Einstein insisted, what the Physics in every free-moving frame is the same throughout the space and time.
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11-08-2016, 10:32 PM
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(11-08-2016 10:19 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  Poe's Law
the hell! Scare tactic fails!
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11-08-2016, 10:35 PM
RE: The potential infinity is not the actual one
(11-08-2016 10:32 PM)theBorg Wrote:  
(11-08-2016 10:19 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  Poe's Law
the hell! Scare tactic fails!

How is that a "scare tactic"? Facepalm

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11-08-2016, 10:43 PM
RE: The potential infinity is not the actual one
(11-08-2016 10:35 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  How is that a "scare tactic"? Facepalm
The words "Poe's law", which are addressed to a human, are always detached from the article in Wikipedia. They are used to tell the unwanted human, what the person is going to report him to the administration with faked accusation. Learn the awful contemporary reality, my friend! Therefore, my answer is also the scare tactic: "the hell!"
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