The problem, or non-problem, of nothingness
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01-06-2017, 08:33 PM (This post was last modified: 01-06-2017 08:37 PM by GenesisNemesis.)
The problem, or non-problem, of nothingness
To say that "something cannot create nothing" implies that nothingness obeys limits, which it does not have. If nothingness does not obey limits, there is nothing preventing something from coming from nothing, because nothing is nothing. However, to say that nothingness has no limits is also to say that contradictions do not matter, which means it is both fine to say that nothingness has no limits, and that it can also be a contradiction.

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01-06-2017, 09:07 PM
RE: The problem, or non-problem, of nothingness
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01-06-2017, 10:23 PM
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This went over my head. What exactly is it about "nothingness" that interests you? Do you imagine there was ever a time when there was nothing at all .. no matter, no energy, no space, no time, no god?

“Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly;
Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?'
Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
Man got to tell himself he understand.”

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02-06-2017, 01:41 AM
RE: The problem, or non-problem, of nothingness
I think your original quotation is backwards Smile

The problem is that we don't even know if a state of "nothing" is something that can actually happen. Trying to predict what it is and isn't capable of is therefor kind of pointless, as we have no data. It's mere assertion. We'd just be trying to apply our own models (which some people regularly conflate with whatever actual rules govern reality) to the unknown/impossible.

It's funny how often theists come at atheists with this line, when I've never heard a single (sceptical) atheist make a claim that something did come from nothing; or that there was ever nothing to begin with.

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02-06-2017, 03:26 PM
RE: The problem, or non-problem, of nothingness
(01-06-2017 08:33 PM)GenesisNemesis Wrote:  To say that "something cannot create nothing" implies that nothingness obeys limits, which it does not have. If nothingness does not obey limits, there is nothing preventing something from coming from nothing, because nothing is nothing. However, to say that nothingness has no limits is also to say that contradictions do not matter, which means it is both fine to say that nothingness has no limits, and that it can also be a contradiction.

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Nothingness: The Science of Empty Space

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02-06-2017, 03:45 PM
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Nothing is better than a ham sandwich. Tongue
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02-06-2017, 03:49 PM
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Think I'd take the ham sandwich.

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Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?'
Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
Man got to tell himself he understand.”

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02-06-2017, 03:58 PM
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But nothing is low cal.
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02-06-2017, 03:59 PM
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Fine. I'll have a salad.

“Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly;
Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?'
Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
Man got to tell himself he understand.”

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02-06-2017, 04:15 PM
RE: The problem, or non-problem, of nothingness
(02-06-2017 01:41 AM)Robvalue Wrote:  The problem is that we don't even know if a state of "nothing" is something that can actually happen.

Nothingness is not observed. It doesn't happen here.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blogs/physi...riosities/

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