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25-01-2014, 02:28 AM
RE: The rest of the universe
Where are we ?Consider

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I found it, but then got lost again, kind of like the hardest where's wally in the universe.Shocking

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25-01-2014, 02:33 AM
RE: The rest of the universe
(24-01-2014 06:47 PM)anidominus Wrote:  (Gen 1:14) And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years,

The point made in this thread was 99.999999999999999999999999 % of the stars in the universe are useless for being signs for the seasons, days & years.

Day and night are not separated by the heavens but the Earth spinning on its axis.

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25-01-2014, 02:55 AM (This post was last modified: 25-01-2014 08:19 AM by Baruch.)
RE: The rest of the universe
(24-01-2014 11:57 PM)Raptor Jesus Wrote:  
(24-01-2014 10:59 PM)natachan Wrote:  How is this relevant to the universe?

Because the whole vastness of the immense cosmos was created so we could know when it was going to get colder or warmer soon, and so that we know when random meaningless holidays should happen based on arbitrary cyclical pattern.

That's why...



Also so we can predict Earths wobbles & elliptical orbit patterns and prepare to freeze to death in the next ice age. (Milankovitch cycles)

Also to know that our Sun in like other similar mass stars, not in my yearly calendar....will go red giant and swallow us up in Hell fire.

Also to know that long after the Red Giant phase whatever charred remains of earth remain will either reach escape velocity and lead a lonely cold starless existence wandering in interstellar space or perhaps orbiting the planetary nebula with its white dwarf (this is unlikely - most predict Earth will no longer remain after the Red Giant phase & the white dwarf doesn't have enough gravitational pull after losing most of the original mass)

Also to know that the universe is accelerating in expansion and cooling down eventually ripping everything apart in a slow cold death - eventually our white dwarf star will cool into blackness....all is black....all is dead....WeepingWeepingWeeping


Then Gods simulation says "Game over - replay ???"
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Looks like the ROlling stones where prophets and could foresee Gods great plan...

Quote:"I wanna see it painted, painted black
Black as night, black as coal
I wanna see the sun blotted out from the sky
I wanna see it painted, painted, painted, painted black
Yeah!" - God - using Rolling stones as a mouthpiece

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25-01-2014, 11:16 AM
RE: The rest of the universe
(25-01-2014 02:55 AM)Baruch Wrote:  
(24-01-2014 11:57 PM)Raptor Jesus Wrote:  Because the whole vastness of the immense cosmos was created so we could know when it was going to get colder or warmer soon, and so that we know when random meaningless holidays should happen based on arbitrary cyclical pattern.

That's why...



Also so we can predict Earths wobbles & elliptical orbit patterns and prepare to freeze to death in the next ice age. (Milankovitch cycles)

Also to know that our Sun in like other similar mass stars, not in my yearly calendar....will go red giant and swallow us up in Hell fire.

Also to know that long after the Red Giant phase whatever charred remains of earth remain will either reach escape velocity and lead a lonely cold starless existence wandering in interstellar space or perhaps orbiting the planetary nebula with its white dwarf (this is unlikely - most predict Earth will no longer remain after the Red Giant phase & the white dwarf doesn't have enough gravitational pull after losing most of the original mass)

Also to know that the universe is accelerating in expansion and cooling down eventually ripping everything apart in a slow cold death - eventually our white dwarf star will cool into blackness....all is black....all is dead....WeepingWeepingWeeping


Then Gods simulation says "Game over - replay ???"
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Looks like the ROlling stones where prophets and could foresee Gods great plan...

Quote:"I wanna see it painted, painted black
Black as night, black as coal
I wanna see the sun blotted out from the sky
I wanna see it painted, painted, painted, painted black
Yeah!" - God - using Rolling stones as a mouthpiece

Oh I agree with you. I'm just pointing out, in light of all you said just now and so much more, how nonsensical it is that it would all be for a calendar.

But that is the "reason" according to the bible.

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25-01-2014, 06:08 PM
RE: The rest of the universe
(25-01-2014 11:16 AM)Raptor Jesus Wrote:  
(25-01-2014 02:55 AM)Baruch Wrote:  Also so we can predict Earths wobbles & elliptical orbit patterns and prepare to freeze to death in the next ice age. (Milankovitch cycles)

Also to know that our Sun in like other similar mass stars, not in my yearly calendar....will go red giant and swallow us up in Hell fire.

Also to know that long after the Red Giant phase whatever charred remains of earth remain will either reach escape velocity and lead a lonely cold starless existence wandering in interstellar space or perhaps orbiting the planetary nebula with its white dwarf (this is unlikely - most predict Earth will no longer remain after the Red Giant phase & the white dwarf doesn't have enough gravitational pull after losing most of the original mass)

Also to know that the universe is accelerating in expansion and cooling down eventually ripping everything apart in a slow cold death - eventually our white dwarf star will cool into blackness....all is black....all is dead....WeepingWeepingWeeping


Then Gods simulation says "Game over - replay ???"
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Looks like the ROlling stones where prophets and could foresee Gods great plan...

Oh I agree with you. I'm just pointing out, in light of all you said just now and so much more, how nonsensical it is that it would all be for a calendar.

But that is the "reason" according to the bible.

Yes, but whats more interesting is how the universe we see makes the bible so much more unlikely - due to what a god allegedly reveals - it utterly destroys the fine tuning arguments. - our Earth may be replicated billions if not hundreds of billions of times across the universe - just look at that deep field image !!!

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25-01-2014, 06:21 PM
RE: The rest of the universe
(24-01-2014 06:53 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(24-01-2014 06:47 PM)anidominus Wrote:  (Gen 1:14) And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years,

Couldn't God have just created a few local suns to act as lights in the sky rather than whole galaxies?

He's God, he likes to accessorize.

One of the dumbest things I've heard a scientist say on Ancient Aliens is...

"What does God need with a space ship?"

my reply, "He doesn't... but he's f-ing God he can travel how ever the hell he wants."

Since God didn't need a space ship, the scientist reached an illogical conclusion that God wouldn't use one. This is a mistake people often make. What would you do if you could do whatever you wanted? There are some people who own 40 cars when they can only drive 1 at a time.

This is also one of the ways you can perhaps detect a fraudulent god. A fraudulent god will never "think" any differently than the people who created him.
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25-01-2014, 07:17 PM
RE: The rest of the universe
Quote: "What does God need with a space ship?"

Well obviously he needs it to escape the great barrier that keeps him trapped in the center of the galaxy! Everyone knows that!
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25-01-2014, 07:25 PM
RE: The rest of the universe
(24-01-2014 06:04 PM)Im_Ryan Wrote:  
(24-01-2014 05:31 PM)Alla Wrote:  Why do you think that God cares only about this earth?

Because the Bible said he made us, and everything for us. Implying that there is nothing else to care for except what's on earth. Why there is obviously no other life forms anywhere but here. There's your proof.
Bible doesn't say that everything was made for us. And Bible doesn't say that God created everything.

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25-01-2014, 08:01 PM
RE: The rest of the universe
(25-01-2014 07:25 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(24-01-2014 06:04 PM)Im_Ryan Wrote:  Because the Bible said he made us, and everything for us. Implying that there is nothing else to care for except what's on earth. Why there is obviously no other life forms anywhere but here. There's your proof.
Bible doesn't say that everything was made for us. And Bible doesn't say that God created everything.

Oh, really?

1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3: And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4: And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5: And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7: And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8: And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9: And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10: And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11: And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12: And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13: And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14: And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16: And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17: And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18: And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19: And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21: And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22: And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23: And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30: And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31: And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

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25-01-2014, 08:23 PM
RE: The rest of the universe
(25-01-2014 08:01 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(25-01-2014 07:25 PM)Alla Wrote:  Bible doesn't say that everything was made for us. And Bible doesn't say that God created everything.

Oh, really?

1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3: And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4: And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5: And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7: And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8: And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9: And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10: And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11: And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12: And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13: And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14: And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16: And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17: And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18: And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19: And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21: And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22: And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23: And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30: And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31: And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
OK. I read that God created heaven and earth and then all kind of things in heaven and earth. But where does it say that He created everything?
Did He say that He created material from which He organized all those things?
Did He say how big heaven is? Bible mentions three heavens? So, how big is one heaven ACCORDING to the Bible? Is it absolutely all infinite space ACCORDING to the Bible?

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