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20-02-2017, 07:35 PM
The resurrection
"As far as the resurrection, it's the best attested historical fact of antiquity ever recorded!"

Pure B.S. What's the best way to refute it?

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20-02-2017, 08:22 PM (This post was last modified: 20-02-2017 08:26 PM by Robvalue.)
RE: The resurrection
I would say that you're dealing with a kind of event not even known to be possible in the first place. So it first needs to be established that such a thing is possible.

To show that it is the most likely option that an unprecedented event actually happened, the amount of evidence required needs to be similarly overwhelming. Otherwise, the only reasonable conclusion is that it's far more likely to be a lie, a mistake or an exaggeration. These are all much simpler explanations which require no additional assumptions, and which we know go on all the time in anecdotes.

The most direct evidence we have are anecdotes. These are about the worst form of evidence that can be supplied. Anecdotes wouldn't even establish that someone committed a crime in a court of law without accompanying physical evidence, let alone establish something that happened 2,000 years ago and has never happened before. At best, they establish what someone thinks happened. They can never establish what actually happened. Any critical thinker should never accept anecdotes for anything but the most mundane claims.

The evidence just isn't there. For a claim of this nature, we'd need something we can test. Otherwise, to be consistent, you'd have to just believe any anecdotes people present to you that can't immediately be proved wrong, and that would lead to a tangled mess of contradiction. The credibility of the authors is irrelevant. No one is an authority on correctly reporting unprecedented events accurately.

There's really nothing to refute. Stories aren't magically real. Four accounts of the same story don't make it any more real, especially when two of those are copied off one of the others, and they were all written decades after the event.

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20-02-2017, 08:24 PM
RE: The resurrection
(20-02-2017 07:35 PM)f stop Wrote:  "As far as the resurrection, it's the best attested historical fact of antiquity ever recorded!"

Pure B.S. What's the best way to refute it?

Pompei is better attested to.

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20-02-2017, 08:34 PM (This post was last modified: 20-02-2017 10:03 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: The resurrection
It's a little "nerdy", but Jewish apocalyptic heroes, (and Jesus was one in a line of them) were "raised up" (as in metaphorically "exalted"), not "bodily raised from the dead".
It's a fundamental misunderstanding of the culture, (and the Greek language used to describe it).

See : "How Jesus Became a god, the Exaltation of a Jewish Preacher from Galilee", (Bart Ehrman),
or "The Trouble With Resurrection", (Dr. B.B. Scott ... Christian seminary professor).

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21-02-2017, 02:16 AM
RE: The resurrection
Just say that it isn't. Assertions so stupid can be dismissed instantly.

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21-02-2017, 03:01 AM
RE: The resurrection
(20-02-2017 07:35 PM)f stop Wrote:  "As far as the resurrection, it's the best attested historical fact of antiquity ever recorded!"

Pure B.S. What's the best way to refute it?

"No, it isn't."

"Owl," said Rabbit shortly, "you and I have brains. The others have fluff. If there is any thinking to be done in this Forest - and when I say thinking I mean thinking - you and I must do it."
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21-02-2017, 03:13 AM
RE: The resurrection
(20-02-2017 07:35 PM)f stop Wrote:  "As far as the resurrection, it's the best attested historical fact of antiquity ever recorded!"

Pure B.S. What's the best way to refute it?

If it's a fact rather than myth it has to have supporting evidence. If anyone can provide that evidence, let them do so. Otherwise it is BS.

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21-02-2017, 05:29 AM
RE: The resurrection
"If there is lots of evidence, then you don't need faith. Without faith, you're going to hell."

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21-02-2017, 05:38 AM
RE: The resurrection
Punch them in the face until they agree that they're wrong.

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21-02-2017, 08:49 AM
RE: The resurrection
Such an utterance refutes the utterer, pretty much. No refutation necessary. Tongue

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