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30-06-2017, 03:46 PM
RE: The resurrection
The Book of Revelation is not what you think it is.




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30-06-2017, 04:09 PM
RE: The resurrection
(30-06-2017 03:29 PM)serpentdove Wrote:  
(30-06-2017 03:14 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Doesn't sound like you are that sure of this alleged prophecy.

I’m pretty sure that Damascus is toast (Is 17, Jer 49:23-24, Re 12, 14). Want to dismiss that, too?

Paul believed he’d be raptured in his lifetime (1 Cor. 15:51). Does that make him a chump for believing that? No. He did not have the benefit of John’s Book of Revelation or Stellarium software. We do.

The rapture is imminent. Nothing needs to happen for the rapture to occur.

So Damascus is going to be destroyed and Christians will vanish on Sept. 23rd 2017?

Any more claims you would like to make? Please continue....

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30-06-2017, 04:12 PM
RE: The resurrection
BTW- Making a claim that something will happen proves nothing, when a specific claim occurs in a falsifiable manner and is the only plausible explanation is when you can claim proof.

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30-06-2017, 04:19 PM
RE: The resurrection
(30-06-2017 03:29 PM)serpentdove Wrote:  I’m pretty sure that Damascus is toast (Is 17, Jer 49:23-24, Re 12, 14). Want to dismiss that, too?

Just how sure are you ?
What will you be willing to bet that you're correct ?

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30-06-2017, 04:20 PM
RE: The resurrection
(30-06-2017 04:19 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(30-06-2017 03:29 PM)serpentdove Wrote:  I’m pretty sure that Damascus is toast (Is 17, Jer 49:23-24, Re 12, 14). Want to dismiss that, too?

Just how sure are you ?
What will you be willing to bet that you're correct ?

I find their specificity of Sept 23rd 2017 to be rather refreshing- and laughable.

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30-06-2017, 04:23 PM
RE: The resurrection
"1. Rapture doctrine is one of the most recent "new doctrines" in the history of the Church. The only doctrine more recent is the invention of the sinner's prayer for salvation by Billy Sunday in 1930, which was made popular by Billy Graham in 1935.

2. The fact that John Nelson Darby invented the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine around 1830 AD is unquestionably true. All attempts to find evidence of this wild doctrine before 1830 have failed, with a single exception: Morgan Edwards wrote a short essay as a college paper for Bristol Baptist College in Bristol England in 1744 where he confused the second coming with the first resurrection of Revelation 20 and described a "pre-tribulation" rapture. However Edwards ideas, which he admitted were brand new and never before taught, had no influence in the modern population of the false doctrine. That prize to goes to Darby.

3. Prior to 1830, no church taught it in their creed, catechism or statement of faith.

4. Darby has had a profound impact on religion today, since Darby's "secret rapture" false doctrine has infected most conservative, evangelical churches. While the official creeds and statements of faith of many churches either reject or are silent about Rapture, neither do they openly condemn this doctrine of a demon from the pulpit.

5. While not all dispensationalists believe in the Rapture. All those who teach the Rapture also believe in premillennialism. Both groups use Israel's modern statehood status of 1948 to be a beginning of a countdown to the end.

6. All premillennialists, rapturists and dispensationalists alive today believe the Bible reveals the general era of when Christ will return. The date setters of the 1800's (Seventh-day Adventists who are date setting premillennialists who reject the rapture, Jehovah's Witnesses who have set many dates) based their predictions upon speculative arrangements of numbers and chronologies in the Bible. Today's date setters without exception wrongly believe that Israel gaining state hood in 1948 fulfilled Bible prophecy and that Christ would return within one generation.

7. There are two kinds of premillennialists: Those "Date setters" and "Date Teasers". "Date setters", set specific dates which are in fact a countdown clock to the extinction of their own ministries. (William Miller, Charles Russell, Ronald Weinland, Harold Camping, etc.) "Date teasers", share the same rhetoric of urgency that the "end is very soon", but refuse to lock into a specific date. (Jack Van Impe, Hal Lindsay, Tim LaHaye, Pentecostals, Baptists, Grant Jefferies, Christadelphians.)

8. Most of the TV preachers who promote rapture and/or "date set" all wrongly believe they are a prophet of God with special illumination. Pentecostals believe they are inspired directly from the Holy Spirit as modern day prophets. Baptists believe they are illuminated with guidance from the Holy Spirit through the Calvinist doctrine of Irresistible grace.

9. Christians reject all these false notions of God illuminating man and rely upon the pages of the Bible alone as a sole source of conduct and doctrine. . Find a church that exposes the Rapture as a heresy in your own home town."

http://www.bible.ca/rapture-origin-john-...1830ad.htm

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30-06-2017, 05:06 PM (This post was last modified: 30-06-2017 05:09 PM by adey67.)
RE: The resurrection
So apparently nothing needs to happen for the rapture to occur, how convenient a non falsifiable prediction. We got a live one here guys, more nutty than a pecan plantation. Drinking Beverage
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30-06-2017, 05:27 PM
RE: The resurrection
(30-06-2017 04:19 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(30-06-2017 03:29 PM)serpentdove Wrote:  I’m pretty sure that Damascus is toast (Is 17, Jer 49:23-24, Re 12, 14). Want to dismiss that, too?

Just how sure are you ?
What will you be willing to bet that you're correct ?

Given our friend here thinks they're "wise as serpents and innocent as doves" as a "sheep among the wolves"...I'd bet that serpentdove would bet a lot. All the abbreviations without explaining anything is so reminding me of the CARM forums.

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30-06-2017, 05:58 PM
RE: The resurrection
(30-06-2017 05:06 PM)adey67 Wrote:  more nutty than a pecan plantation. Drinking Beverage

Laugh out load .. Laugh out load

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30-06-2017, 05:58 PM
RE: The resurrection
(30-06-2017 03:31 PM)OmniConsUme Wrote:  ... Prophecy was never to tell the future.
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