The shroud of Turin isn't a forgery!
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29-03-2013, 01:25 PM (This post was last modified: 29-03-2013 01:41 PM by Anjele.)
RE: The shroud of Turin isn't a forgery!
(29-03-2013 12:02 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(29-03-2013 11:45 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  The image is more perfect reproduction in negative, a "photo" taken with light. The features on the face include covering the eyes with 1st Century coins of Israel (not that a 15th century forger would know about since only modern archaeology has uncovered Jewish burial sites) and a nose broken and altered from physical abuse. It's real.
What are you talking about? Neither are the eyes of the man depicted on the Shroud of Turin covered with coins, nor is his nose broken.

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Damnit Vosur, I was almost ready to believe!

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29-03-2013, 01:27 PM
RE: The shroud of Turin isn't a forgery!
Can't wait for Easter to be over..


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29-03-2013, 02:02 PM
RE: The shroud of Turin isn't a forgery!
I'm almost beginning to think I'm wasting my time here witnessing to y'all. Smile

More on the coins, and the image which is best rendered as a 3D relief:

http://www.ohioshroudconference.com/papers/p20.pdf
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29-03-2013, 02:04 PM
RE: The shroud of Turin isn't a forgery!
This is how they determined it isn't a forgery?!

"The tests dated the age of the shroud to between 300 BC and 400AD"

So, even if these dates are correct, it means nothing.

That is a span of 700 years. That is 255,500 days. That means the shroud has a 1/255,500 chance that it was used on the particular day Jesus allegedly died. But he wasn't even the only person who would have died from crucifixion on that day.

It never ceases to amaze me what believers will accept as evidence. That's why I don't think I'll ever get bored debating them.
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29-03-2013, 02:05 PM
RE: The shroud of Turin isn't a forgery!
Other shroud evidences:

*pollen from Jerusalem Thorn bush found on shroud

*image is best revealed/shown to have been created at a angle perfectly perpendicular to shround draped over 3D figure, as if via beams of light/radiation

*shroud cloth is dark/light at a microscopic level on individual cross threads of cloth

Etc.
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29-03-2013, 02:14 PM
RE: The shroud of Turin isn't a forgery!
(29-03-2013 02:02 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  I'm almost beginning to think I'm wasting my time here witnessing to y'all. Smile

More on the coins, and the image which is best rendered as a 3D relief:

http://www.ohioshroudconference.com/papers/p20.pdf

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29-03-2013, 02:38 PM
RE: The shroud of Turin isn't a forgery!
(29-03-2013 02:05 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  *shroud cloth is dark/light at a microscopic level on individual cross threads of cloth

Witnesses of the 15th and early 16th centuries speak of the image as being then so vivid that the blood seemed freshly shed - it was documented that the image looked very much "as if it was only recently removed from the body" and clearly visible stains looked to be "dried blood, staining darkened hues of rose madder and brown".

On the supposition that this is an "authentic" relic dating from the year A.D. 30, why would it have retained its brilliance through countless journeys and changes of climate for 15 centuries, and then in less than 5 centuries become almost invisible?

Or has our lucky shroud... Consider become a metaphor for christianity? Drinking Beverage

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29-03-2013, 02:52 PM
RE: The shroud of Turin isn't a forgery!
(29-03-2013 02:02 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  I'm almost beginning to think I'm wasting my time here witnessing to y'all. Smile

Huh

You could be the most influencing person on this website, giving all sorts of thought provoking statements, . . . and it still wouldn't make anything you say "true" FOR you to witness about. I hope you can understand what I'm saying here. There are issues with your religion. . . . . new discoveries that bring the actual history to light. If you are trying to bring us the "god" of the bible you have on your shelf, . . . then you are merely bringing a human concept that has been influenced by humans, . . . and interpretted by other humans.
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29-03-2013, 03:01 PM
RE: The shroud of Turin isn't a forgery!
(29-03-2013 02:02 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  I'm almost beginning to think I'm wasting my time here witnessing to y'all. Smile


That's exactly what you are doing.Drinking Beverage

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29-03-2013, 04:39 PM
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(29-03-2013 02:02 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  I'm almost beginning to think I'm wasting my time here witnessing to y'all. Smile

More on the coins, and the image which is best rendered as a 3D relief:

http://www.ohioshroudconference.com/papers/p20.pdf

Kinda slow on the uptake aren't ya?

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