The slandar of a scientist, author and genius
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29-03-2011, 11:57 PM
 
The slandar of a scientist, author and genius
You'd think that because of sir Richard Dawkin's harmless rhetoric, his careful reasoning behind every conclusion, his unnervingly courteous conduct and his staggering knowledge of the natural world, he'd be immune to some of the things I've heard said about him, even from family members.

1. He is arrogant
2. His "dogmas" are little better than that of the Bible freaks he contradicts
3. He is closed-minded to all kinds of possibilities
4. He supports hopelessly flawed and outdated ideas about evolution
5. He overestimates the ability of science to comprehend the universe

How can people who say this be more wrong?
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30-03-2011, 12:40 AM
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The ignorant and the spiteful grant amnesty to no one.

If the members of the opposing view point are ignorant and spiteful enough, they will make angry, unsubstantiated attacks to defame their opponent.

This holds true for politics as well as religion.

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30-03-2011, 01:40 AM
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(29-03-2011 11:57 PM)Ellems Wrote:  How can people who say this be more wrong?

They can't be more wrong. But then they are defending their beliefs, which are at least as wrong. And two wrongs don't make a right.

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30-03-2011, 02:16 AM
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If someone asked me to make a list of 5 characteristics of Dawkins, then took the exact opposite of those things and made a new list, it would be the one above.

I must respond.

1. The confidence that you know all the answers sometimes comes off as arrogance by those that have none of the answers.

2. ...

3. That's like saying that mathematicians are "closed minded" about 2 + 2 equaling other numbers rather than 4.

4. and 5. don't even warrant a response. A 2000 year old cult calling a 150 year old, scientifically accepted idea "flawed and outdated" just brings moisture to my eyes.

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30-03-2011, 09:18 AM
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He might be arrogant sometimes, but you'd be pissed too after hours of ''debate'' with creatards.

The only 'dogma' I've heard him talk about (in the context of him accepting it) is the central dogma of molecular biology, although it's not really that much of a ''dogma''.

The third one might become true after over ten years of conforting extreme stupidity and getting old and grumpy.

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30-03-2011, 09:28 AM (This post was last modified: 30-03-2011 01:07 PM by sosa.)
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I have my own critiques of Dawkins, its about how he approaches religion, he isn't as knowledgeable on the subject as say Hitchens. Its just not his strong suit. He should stick to debating what he does best, which is evolution and science against creationism and leave the religious debating to Hitchens.

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31-03-2011, 09:37 AM
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I agree with Sosa. I don't dislike Dawkins, and he's my favourite of the so-called Four Horsemen, but I do see him as arrogant at times and I have to agree he can come across as closed-minded. He's a brilliant science educator, and, like Sosa, I agree he should stick to what he does best.

I don't really think he's a genius, either. Smart definitely (putting it mildly) and probably a guy I would love to have a chat with (if it was a conversation that wasn't completely over my head Tongue), but probably not a genius. xD

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31-03-2011, 11:54 PM
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(31-03-2011 09:37 AM)ebilekittae Wrote:  I don't dislike Dawkins, and he's my favourite of the so-called Four Horsemen, but I do see him as arrogant at times and I have to agree he can come across as closed-minded.

How does one not appear closed minded when one is debating with people who constantly rehash arguments that have been proven wrong for many decades, but they still bring back up, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over,etc?

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01-04-2011, 01:01 AM
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Dawkins is a hardcore atheist, not a freethinker. Everyone who takes in an absolute position can come over as arrogant. I am Pretty sure this is a pose he has to take in to be able to have a more defensible position.

Also: He is conveying a message. That message better be strong or no one would be listening.

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01-04-2011, 03:27 AM
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Quote:3. That's like saying that mathematicians are "closed minded" about 2 + 2 equaling other numbers rather than 4.
Actually , it depends on the set you're in. In the set Z4 , 2 + 2 = 0; Had to let my inner geek out Big Grin

Quote:Dawkins is a hardcore atheist, not a freethinker.
You couldn't be more wrong on this. He described himself as a 6/7 atheist. Even he leaves room for a god if the evidence is there.
And yes he is convinced of biology because unlike creatards he actually studied science and praises a professor of his in a documentary(2008 - The one about Darwin's dangerous idea) who worked on a theory for 15 years and when an American scientist disproved it with evidence , the professor smiled with tears because knowledge was gained despite his theory proven wrong.

Atheism is a religion like OFF is a TV channel !!!

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