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16-12-2016, 11:38 AM
RE: The story of the perfect, creator god
Why would this perfect god only talk to one group of people if he wanted everyone to believe in his message--and not just believe, but do what he says. Especially since not doing what this perfect god says seems to get his panties in a bunch. Wink

And why would this perfect god allow other perfect gods and goddesses to be created by humans before and after him? And in many cases, these other perfect made up gods also have their own magical books and their own favorite groupings of people. It seems like by allowing this to occur, it would only add to the headache this perfect god has with people not listening to his message.
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16-12-2016, 11:58 AM
RE: The story of the perfect, creator god
(16-12-2016 11:22 AM)Impulse Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 08:41 AM)Serpent Speech Wrote:  That same god also existed before time, and thus lacked the proper mechanics for planning, carrying out an action, or processing a single thought.

Welcome to the forum Serpent Speech.

Can you please clarify what you mean? I'm not following why absence of time would negate those things.

Hey there, and thanks!

Actions, movement, processes, etc. all require temporal succession to go from point A to point B. Without the availability of time, how would a "god" be able to create anything...time included?

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16-12-2016, 01:00 PM
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(15-12-2016 02:35 PM)Impulse Wrote:  Yup, this is complete fiction. But, if there was a perfect god, this is how the story would have to go.

Once upon a time there was a perfect god. This god was the first anything in existence. This god was also the only thing in existence. This god, being perfect, needed nothing else and wanted nothing else because needs and wants come from imperfections. So this god created nothing else - nothing at all - and merely existed content for eternity.

The end.

Any questions?

If this god created nothing else, how did we find out about him?
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16-12-2016, 01:53 PM
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(16-12-2016 11:38 AM)jennybee Wrote:  Why would this perfect god only talk to one group of people if he wanted everyone to believe in his message--and not just believe, but do what he says. Especially since not doing what this perfect god says seems to get his panties in a bunch. Wink

And why would this perfect god allow other perfect gods and goddesses to be created by humans before and after him? And in many cases, these other perfect made up gods also have their own magical books and their own favorite groupings of people. It seems like by allowing this to occur, it would only add to the headache this perfect god has with people not listening to his message.
This god didn't because he didn't do anything. But I know no theist will accept that so yes, those are very good questions. Yes

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16-12-2016, 01:55 PM
RE: The story of the perfect, creator god
(16-12-2016 11:58 AM)Serpent Speech Wrote:  Hey there, and thanks!

Actions, movement, processes, etc. all require temporal succession to go from point A to point B. Without the availability of time, how would a "god" be able to create anything...time included?

Ok, I see what you mean, thanks. I'm sure the apologists will be saying it's because God transcends time or God can do anything so, even though we may not understand how, he just can. You know, mysterious ways and all. Rolleyes

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16-12-2016, 01:57 PM
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(16-12-2016 01:00 PM)docskeptic Wrote:  If this god created nothing else, how did we find out about him?
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Yes, very good question, and since creation is supposed to be the method for our existence, how are we even here to find out about him?

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16-12-2016, 01:59 PM
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(15-12-2016 02:35 PM)Impulse Wrote:  Yup, this is complete fiction. But, if there was a perfect god, this is how the story would have to go.

Once upon a time there was a perfect god. This god was the first anything in existence. This god was also the only thing in existence. This god, being perfect, needed nothing else and wanted nothing else because needs and wants come from imperfections. So this god created nothing else - nothing at all - and merely existed content for eternity.

The end.

Any questions?
This god, being so perfect, knew the outcome of any event even before any event happened. It knew if it created a universe what the outcome of that would be, it knew down to the smallest of fundamental particles, over the longest length of time what would happen. All it needed to do was to think of a universe and it instantly knew all that could be known. It therefore had no need to actually create a universe. It had no need to think, so it blinked itself out of existence.
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16-12-2016, 02:37 PM
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(16-12-2016 01:59 PM)Stevil Wrote:  This god, being so perfect, knew the outcome of any event even before any event happened. It knew if it created a universe what the outcome of that would be, it knew down to the smallest of fundamental particles, over the longest length of time what would happen. All it needed to do was to think of a universe and it instantly knew all that could be known. It therefore had no need to actually create a universe. It had no need to think, so it blinked itself out of existence.

LOL... that explains it! Now we know not only that there is no God, but why... Smartass

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16-12-2016, 09:34 PM
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Hm... If I were God, I would populate the planets with lots of little fuzzy creatures and live among them. ^.^
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17-12-2016, 12:15 AM
RE: The story of the perfect, creator god
(15-12-2016 02:35 PM)Impulse Wrote:  Yup, this is complete fiction. But, if there was a perfect god, this is how the story would have to go.

Once upon a time there was a perfect god. This god was the first anything in existence. This god was also the only thing in existence. This god, being perfect, needed nothing else and wanted nothing else because needs and wants come from imperfections. So this god created nothing else - nothing at all - and merely existed content for eternity.

The end.

Any questions?

So, wait, the dude just sits around on his lazy bum all day and does nothing, and that's perfection?

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