The stupidity of limiting ammunition
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30-04-2013, 03:17 PM
RE: The stupidity of limiting ammunition
I can't help but think a lot of gun owners believe they will be all





but in reality they will be all




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30-04-2013, 07:23 PM
RE: The stupidity of limiting ammunition
(30-04-2013 11:57 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(30-04-2013 10:56 AM)bbeljefe Wrote:  Not at all. Two of my guns are leftovers from my hunting days and one is strictly for protection. I have no interest whatever in guns, outside their use for self defense. I also have no use for a lot of other things, but I'm not qualified to tell someone else what his or her interests should be, so I don't do so.

My point with the hammer comment is that almost everyone is raised in a top down authoritarian household and the result is a society that thinks the only way people can be "controlled" is by pointing guns at them (Which on a side note, is a bit of irony, given that the topic of conversation is gun violence). This is also why I said that violence, not gun violence, suicide, not gun suicide and mass murder, not mass gun murder are the problems.

Most people want a new law every time something bad happens but new laws don't stop parents from raising violent, mentally unstable children so, new laws don't stop people from doing others harm.

If you care to look at the problem from a purely rational perspective rather than an emotional one, you'll see that taking guns away from everyone but the state (that's fodder for an entirely different discussion) will not stop disturbed people from acting out. In fact, if you did manage to disarm the populace, those would be spree shooters would simply go online and learn how to make bombs, which is quite easy to do. Most don't do it now because it takes more effort to learn how to build a bomb than it does to steal a gun from a family member or even buy one legally. But let's examine the destruction one can do with a home made bomb as opposed to the destruction one can do with a firearm... need I go into detail? You don't have to aim a bomb. You don't even have to be present for a bomb to do its job and you cannot control who a bomb kills and who it doesn't kill, within the proximity of its detonation. Of course, not every would be killer would build a bomb. We've just recently seen an incident where a knife was used.

In the end, if we truly do want to stop this sort of violence, the answer is not in writing new opinions on paper and then pointing guns at every person who happens to defy those opinions. The answer is also not in public executions of those who do others harm and the answer is not in attempting to force already mentally injured adults into state run "rehab" programs that are at best, ineffectual on the whole.

As bad as I hate legislation, I have to agree with the 29 countries that have banned corporal punishment of children. In each of those countries where data has been collected, violent crime rates have dropped in the years after these laws have gone into effect. It isn't the entire answer but it is at a move in the right direction. At least in those countries, the guns of the state are being trained on people who are actually harming other human beings.

In simple terms, society will never, ever stop violent crime until it starts treating children like human beings.

I couldn't agree more. We prolong childhood in so many ways (like drinking age), but if they commit a crime...suddenly they're not a child and can be treated like an adult.

Well, I wasn't referring to how children are treated from a legal standpoint. I was talking about how children are treated by their caregivers/parents.

How society writ large treats children is a by product of parenting.

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30-04-2013, 09:25 PM
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(30-04-2013 01:43 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  



And, who needs to carry their own gun, when you can just take the one given to you by your assailant?

In all seriousness, that guy has balls. I would have just given him my wallet.

Your whole argument is beta. This robber is a idiot and wasn't actually serious about shooting the guy. How do you know this? He got close enough for a gun grab when he didn't need to and gave up his element of surprise . Tactical fail all the way. If he would have kept a reactionary gap, the victim wouldn't have had as many options. He literally had victory snatched away from him doue to IQ deficiency.


(30-04-2013 03:17 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  I can't help but think a lot of gun owners believe they will be all





but in reality they will be all




When we step outside of the daydreams of yours, we find thousands of people who use firearms to shoot, kill, or just deter bad situations.

Not just a hillbilly with a YouTube outdoors show who is too stupid to realize you don't mix safe action/single action firearms together with passive and active retention holsters with both thumb breaks and serpa finger tabs.
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01-05-2013, 08:02 AM
RE: The stupidity of limiting ammunition
This is the attitude from people in my hometown. These guys might be creepers, one might be fat, they might just be awkward. But good damn thing I have my gun, just in case they look at me.

This is one of the many god-bothering idiots I graduated with that also says things like "As I lay here watching The Bible & hear of a tragic car accident, I'm reminded of how real life is. God sent his only son to die brutally on the cross for all of our sins. As I look around, I see how awful this world is. I'm so thankful that my God loves me& saved my soul from hell. Im so thankful ill see my loved ones again someday. May God be with the families during this painful time."

I don't want people like this to have the ability to take lives if they feel creeped-out by someone. And unfortunately, I would not put it past people like her to pull that gun out in such situations. No

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01-05-2013, 08:05 AM
RE: The stupidity of limiting ammunition
A good article that touches on the topic at hand.

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