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13-08-2015, 03:01 PM
The thought crime equivalence
I posted a more in-depth entry of this on my blog today. It's not worth checking out per se, but I just wanted to mention this here: Every once in a while I'll think of something from the bible, a particular verse that is tied to some edict and try to relate it to other actions in life to see how it holds up for us.

Take Matthew 5:28 ... "But I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

If merely thinking something is equivalent to doing it, then (1) why not just do it since you're screwed anyway and (2) does this logic pertain to the other commandments? For instance, someone gets very angry at another person and fantasizes about killing that person. Did he just commit murder?

I could go on and on but I think I made my point. Just another reason why the bible and religion are bullshit.

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13-08-2015, 03:03 PM
RE: The thought crime equivalence
And even better -- if you're guilty about it just for thinking about it -- shouldn't you just go ahead and do it????

They're gonna fry ya anyway....


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Oh.. shit.... you said that too......

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13-08-2015, 03:11 PM
RE: The thought crime equivalence
(13-08-2015 03:01 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  I posted a more in-depth entry of this on my blog today. It's not worth checking out per se, but I just wanted to mention this here: Every once in a while I'll think of something from the bible, a particular verse that is tied to some edict and try to relate it to other actions in life to see how it holds up for us.

Take Matthew 5:28 ... "But I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

If merely thinking something is equivalent to doing it, then (1) why not just do it since you're screwed anyway and (2) does this logic pertain to the other commandments? For instance, someone gets very angry at another person and fantasizes about killing that person. Did he just commit murder?

I could go on and on but I think I made my point. Just another reason why the bible and religion are bullshit.

yup, and all one has to do is read the ten commandments to know that isn't the work of a "god". "covet not thy neighbor"....really? not thou shalt not rape, or thou shalt not enslave another human being.....nope....don't covet they neighbor's wife made the cut though...sounds like something a patriarchal group of dipshits from ancient times would make up....oh wait..

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13-08-2015, 03:16 PM
RE: The thought crime equivalence
The whole "Thou shalt not covet" shit is just plain dumb....

People wanting shit, is what keeps the economy going.

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13-08-2015, 03:19 PM
RE: The thought crime equivalence
(13-08-2015 03:01 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  If merely thinking something is equivalent to doing it, then (1) why not just do it since you're screwed anyway and (2) does this logic pertain to the other commandments? For instance, someone gets very angry at another person and fantasizes about killing that person. Did he just commit murder?
Yes, in his/her heart. It is not a sin yet. But when you fanaticize about something evil and do not stop doing it you might make it a reality. Then you commit a sin.
It's like if I can't drink coffee(sin) but if I think about it, I fantasize about it( drink in my heart) it is harder for me to resist temptation. Most likely I will drink it.

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13-08-2015, 03:26 PM
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(13-08-2015 03:19 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(13-08-2015 03:01 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  If merely thinking something is equivalent to doing it, then (1) why not just do it since you're screwed anyway and (2) does this logic pertain to the other commandments? For instance, someone gets very angry at another person and fantasizes about killing that person. Did he just commit murder?
Yes, in his/her heart. It is not a sin yet. But when you fanaticize about something evil and do not stop doing it you might make it a reality. Then you commit a sin.
It's like if I can't drink coffee(sin) but if I think about it, I fantasize about it( drink in my heart) it is harder for me to resist temptation. Most likely I will drink it.

And why do we care? What's the point of pointing it out?

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13-08-2015, 03:36 PM
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(13-08-2015 03:19 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(13-08-2015 03:01 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  If merely thinking something is equivalent to doing it, then (1) why not just do it since you're screwed anyway and (2) does this logic pertain to the other commandments? For instance, someone gets very angry at another person and fantasizes about killing that person. Did he just commit murder?
Yes, in his/her heart. It is not a sin yet. But when you fanaticize about something evil and do not stop doing it you might make it a reality. Then you commit a sin.
It's like if I can't drink coffee(sin) but if I think about it, I fantasize about it( drink in my heart) it is harder for me to resist temptation. Most likely I will drink it.

The verse condemns one for "committing adultery with her already" by just thinking those thoughts, not because it may lead to adulterous actions. You do really make this crap up as you see fit you warped and trapped shell of a supposed thinking human.

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13-08-2015, 03:38 PM
RE: The thought crime equivalence
I think the thoughts are made into crimes in order to set a broad enough definition of sin to encompass everyone, so that even someone very timid or stripped of all power to act can still be damned.

The small numbers of persons saved compared to persons condemned imply to me that god is much more interested in damnation than letting heaven get too crowded.
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13-08-2015, 03:41 PM
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(13-08-2015 03:01 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  Take Matthew 5:28 ... "But I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

In my heart?

I mean, I've heard of kinky, but this is just weird. I mean, WEIRD. How is that anatomically even possible?

I mean, in her groin, sure. Maybe in a few other body parts. But in my heart?

How the hell does THAT work?

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13-08-2015, 04:00 PM
RE: The thought crime equivalence
On the perticular point of thought crime, I think Marilyn Manson phrased it the best in the following quote: «All the seven deadly sins are man's true nature. To be greedy. To be hateful. To have lust. Of course, you have to control them, but if you're made to feel guilty for being human, then you're going to be trapped in a never-ending sin-and-repent cycle that you can't escape from.»
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