The tipping point for new ideas
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04-01-2012, 09:14 PM (This post was last modified: 04-01-2012 11:34 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: The tipping point for new ideas
If Kurzweil is right (and the motherfucker has proved uncannily predictive so far), we are at a technological inflection point. Atheism is just an incidental and inevitable consequence of that exponential trajectory. ... I see no problem with that.

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04-01-2012, 10:00 PM
RE: The tipping point for new ideas
Hey, Sharks.

Look at the rise of Islam. It took over the Middle East nigh on instantaneously. Or, on the other end, the scientific method caught on like wildfire once it hit the tipping point. The tipping point applies to things as mundane as sneakers and as world changing as religion.

Punctuated Equilibrium says that by and large, things exist in stasis. There are very few and very small changes over long periods. Things stay pretty much the same. Then there is some change, some shift in the conditions and blam, there’s a massive change. Long periods of equilibrium punctuated by brief spurts of rapid change; like, say, when an asteroid strikes the earth and wiped out the dinosaurs. Dinosaurs ruled the Earth for countless millions of years and then poof, it was the mammals turn.

So you’re right that people, by and large, are set in their ways, but that’s stasis rather than permanence. They’re enacting an Evolutionarily Stable Strategy, or ESS, so why would they change it? The great example of punctuated equilibrium is the sand pile. Watch sand in an hourglass (or just pour some out of a closed fist). It falls and piles up, relatively uniformly. Then all of a sudden, there’s a small change and there’s a massive landslide. Small change, huge result. Those moments of small change, culturally speaking, are tipping points.

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06-01-2012, 09:30 PM (This post was last modified: 07-01-2012 07:39 AM by DeepThought.)
RE: The tipping point for new ideas
I think this tipping point is in our favour because reality and the scientific method is on our side. It's not that our beliefs are unshakable full stop. It's that when our ideas are challenged we have a response rather than just 'faith'. In a way that makes our belief unshakable since it's grounded in science and reality to the extent we understand it.

That is the important difference here... Allot of religious people are religious because their friends are or they don't know any better. Sure we sometimes get nutjobs and zealots on here. Those people generally don't represent most of the religious population.

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