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01-12-2015, 11:48 AM
RE: Theist, Atheist, and Agnostics have always been demonstrably wrong.
(01-12-2015 11:42 AM)Philosopher8659 Wrote:  Here is something.

There are factually two distinct types of equality used in logic, and analogic as well.

The Arithmetic, A = B. and the Geometric, also know as the Proportional and Metaphorical. As A is to B, so too is C to D.
All of language is based on the metaphorical, As things are in reality, so too are the virtualized in the mind. Logics, which include common grammar and mathematics are indexing systems for analog content. Analogics are based on standards of behavior for crafting things including logic systems.

i.e. All of language is derived from the perception of things, or one is speaking gibberish.

So ? Big deal. You actually think Psychology doesn't know that language is learned ? Now all you have to do is demonstrate that the conclusions in your OP follow from the tautology which every one already knew.

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01-12-2015, 11:49 AM
RE: Theist, Atheist, and Agnostics have always been demonstrably wrong.
(01-12-2015 11:42 AM)Philosopher8659 Wrote:  Here is something.

There are factually two distinct types of equality used in logic, and analogic as well.

The Arithmetic, A = B. and the Geometric, also know as the Proportional and Metaphorical. As A is to B, so too is C to D.
All of language is based on the metaphorical, As things are in reality, so too are the virtualized in the mind. Logics, which include common grammar and mathematics are indexing systems for analog content. Analogics are based on standards of behavior for crafting things including logic systems.

i.e. All of language is derived from the perception of things, or one is speaking gibberish.

Yes, that is something. A far less overbearingly assertive statement.

Where does any of that get to the concept of a deity type of being? As you took no path to defining God but merely indicated what the label can be broken down via. I would rather stick to the actual concepts generally upheld to that label. What about that qualifies one to indicate that language(another undefined term) as a the only power of the mind or makes God the power of the mind.

Language to some may be broken down as merely descriptive, but others may see a essence, something greater that connects these concepts apart of us. That the idea of these terms means more and creates more in the mind when considering these concepts. Though that idea lingers in some schools of philosophy, it's not reached much of any epidemiological view.

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01-12-2015, 11:53 AM
RE: Theist, Atheist, and Agnostics have always been demonstrably wrong.
(01-12-2015 09:01 AM)Philosopher8659 Wrote:  Well then, that makes your views equal to the theists. Good show. And it also makes you mind totally impotent. Must be age.

To whom is this addressed? Consider

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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01-12-2015, 11:56 AM (This post was last modified: 01-12-2015 12:11 PM by Philosopher8659.)
RE: Theist, Atheist, and Agnostics have always been demonstrably wrong.
Duh, it means that every subject is defined in terms of its predicates and that the predicates are learned from perception. i.e.

Tom is a cat.

Or X is a cat.

Or God is a cat.

All are derived not by what you imagine a cat to be, but by direct experience.

Or in metaphor;

In the beginning was the Word and the word was with God and the Word was God.
Which is the same as

The first word in a sentence is defined by the material difference (with) and its form (is) when true.


Or in short, Language in accordance with the truth of things, (Confucius) determines that God is the principles of language functionally resident in a mind.

One only has to look at their own biology to see that we can never know the thing in itself, we have to craft it. And the way you people all jump to idiotic statements only demonstrate that you are as illiterate as an evangelist.

Factually it means that what may or may not be asserted or denied of anything is wholly determined by the definition of a thing, i.e. its predicates.

Or again, the principles of predication resolve to the naming convention, i.e. the indexing system which indexes analog material.

Or again, all proofs resolve to the naming convention, which I demonstrate thousands of times, and which you have seen others do, and other not do but claim it a proof.

If you cannot engage in the naming convention, that only indicates your inability to wield language.
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01-12-2015, 12:12 PM
RE: Theist, Atheist, and Agnostics have always been demonstrably wrong.
(01-12-2015 11:56 AM)Philosopher8659 Wrote:  Duh, it means that every subject is defined in terms of its predicates and that the predicates are learned from perception. i.e.

Tom is a cat.

Or X is a cat.

Or God is a cat.

All are derived not by what you imagine a cat to be, but by direct experience.

Nope. Completely false.
You LEARN what a cat is, that it is not a rat, by repetition, and by being TAUGHT HOW TO INTERPRET what is perceived. Not by direct perception. The brain has no clue a cat is a "cat" until the learner is TAUGHT how to INTERPRET the experience of seeing a furry animal that among many others, MAY ba a cat.

Try taking Psychology 101 for High School Students, Mr. Fake Philosopher.

Not from "predicates" (whatever that even means).
Neuro-science is WELL AWARE of the complex learning PROCESS.
What you experience is interpreted, and the concept is FORMED by repetetive interpretation of experience.

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01-12-2015, 12:14 PM
RE: Theist, Atheist, and Agnostics have always been demonstrably wrong.
(01-12-2015 11:56 AM)Philosopher8659 Wrote:  Or in short, Language in accordance with the truth of things, (Confucius) determines that God is the principles of language functionally resident in a mind.

Nothing is "resident" in the mind until it is (cullturally relatively) LEARNED.
Confucius knew nothing about the Psychology of LEARNING. Obviously, neither do you.

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01-12-2015, 12:16 PM
RE: Theist, Atheist, and Agnostics have always been demonstrably wrong.
(01-12-2015 12:14 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(01-12-2015 11:56 AM)Philosopher8659 Wrote:  Or in short, Language in accordance with the truth of things, (Confucius) determines that God is the principles of language functionally resident in a mind.

Nothing is "resident" in the mind until it is (cullturally relatively) LEARNED.
Confucius knew nothing about the Psychology of LEARNING. Obviously, neither do you.

You must be very, very old, and keep your memories in a glass beside your bed. But generally, memories are factually resident in a mind. You might want to look that up.
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01-12-2015, 12:22 PM
RE: Theist, Atheist, and Agnostics have always been demonstrably wrong.
(01-12-2015 12:16 PM)Philosopher8659 Wrote:  
(01-12-2015 12:14 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Nothing is "resident" in the mind until it is (cullturally relatively) LEARNED.
Confucius knew nothing about the Psychology of LEARNING. Obviously, neither do you.

You must be very, very old, and keep your memories in a glass beside your bed. But generally, memories are factually resident in a mind. You might want to look that up.

I am 22. YOU have provided NOT ONE scientific reference for ONE thing you have asserted.

Memories are FORMED by a process of LEARNING. An infant does not know what a cat is, until it's TOLD what the animal it perceives is a cat. The word "cat" is *resident* NOWHERE. Obviously you have never had any experience with children.

No one disputes that in ALL OF SCIENCE. Obviously you must be about 12, and have never even taken ONE science course, and have no clue how children learn.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...1488900147

You really were THE most easily debunked troll to stop by this year. Took about 5 minutes.


But, buck up, little one. You REALLY are *special*. Very very special. Weeping

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01-12-2015, 12:23 PM
RE: Theist, Atheist, and Agnostics have always been demonstrably wrong.
(01-12-2015 12:16 PM)Philosopher8659 Wrote:  
(01-12-2015 12:14 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Nothing is "resident" in the mind until it is (cullturally relatively) LEARNED.
Confucius knew nothing about the Psychology of LEARNING. Obviously, neither do you.

You must be very, very old, and keep your memories in a glass beside your bed. But generally, memories are factually resident in a mind. You might want to look that up.

Confucius also never was one to speak of a concept of "GOD" in any manner of a "god." He wrote of the value and view of spirits and the relation they have to your human form and our human ancestors but never noted such things in the point you proclaim.

You are one who is writing many words but not grasping a form of communication that generally goes smoothly with a conceptual handle upon communication. Avoiding responses to several peoples inquiries isn't something that will help you drive home any point if you're actually after spreading ideas and messages. If that's not your goal, then it's hard to call it anything but trolling by the behavior of a dozen posts. It's not even that you've shown no scientific evidence as far as I'm concerned, you've not really backed up anything of the factual claims you attempt to make even in it's philosophical school where they wouldn't be much scientific data to use to back it up other than perhaps direct quotes. While you can continue onward like this, you'll be treated like a NASA site may have treated you.

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01-12-2015, 12:24 PM (This post was last modified: 01-12-2015 12:34 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Theist, Atheist, and Agnostics have always been demonstrably wrong.
(01-12-2015 11:56 AM)Philosopher8659 Wrote:  And the way you people all jump to idiotic statements only demonstrate that you are as illiterate as an evangelist.

Another one with the "you people" are illiterate. Facepalm

1. Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
2. Was der Fall ist, die Tatsache, ist das Bestehen von Sachverhalten.
3. Das logische Bild der Tatsachen ist der Gedanke.
4. Der Gedanke ist der sinnvolle Satz.
5. Der Satz ist eine Wahrheitsfunktion der Elementarsätze.
6. Die allgemeine Form der Wahrheitsfunktion ist: [Image: prop.png]. Dies ist die allgemeine Form des Satzes.
7. Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.

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