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30-08-2014, 07:19 PM
RE: Theist Morality
(30-08-2014 07:17 PM)DLJ Wrote:  And as gods are highly likely to not exist, we therefore need to re-think whether morality exists as anything other than a social construct.
God does exist.

(30-08-2014 07:17 PM)DLJ Wrote:  That's kinda why we use the term ethics, rather than morality in everything other than philosophical / theological discourse.

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30-08-2014, 07:21 PM
RE: Theist Morality
(30-08-2014 07:17 PM)natachan Wrote:  You assert that morality is supernatural. Prove it. Because all evidence seems to indicate otherwise.

1. The supernatural exists. (without it, knowledge could not exist)
2. The human spirit exists for the same reason as above
3. The human spirit is the house of conciousness
4. Morality comes from conciousness.
5. Therefore, morality is supernatural.

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30-08-2014, 07:23 PM (This post was last modified: 30-08-2014 07:37 PM by DLJ.)
RE: Theist Morality
(30-08-2014 07:19 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(30-08-2014 07:17 PM)DLJ Wrote:  And as gods are highly likely to not exist, we therefore need to re-think whether morality exists as anything other than a social construct.
God does exist.
...

A concept of god exists.

Therefore, by your reasoning, a concept of morality exists.

(30-08-2014 07:19 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(30-08-2014 07:17 PM)DLJ Wrote:  That's kinda why we use the term ethics, rather than morality in everything other than philosophical / theological discourse.

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Same fucking thing.

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30-08-2014, 07:24 PM
RE: Theist Morality
(30-08-2014 07:21 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(30-08-2014 07:17 PM)natachan Wrote:  You assert that morality is supernatural. Prove it. Because all evidence seems to indicate otherwise.

1. The supernatural exists. (without it, knowledge could not exist)
2. The human spirit exists for the same reason as above
3. The human spirit is the house of conciousness
4. Morality comes from conciousness.
5. Therefore, morality is supernatural.

1)An un evidenced, unverifiable God possesses certain presupposed attributes as found in religious propaganda, folklore and literature
2)It is impossible for any presupposed un evidenced entity to attain any verifiable attributes without the intervention of a creative entity
3) Overwhelming evidence indicates that humans create and compose propaganda, folklore and literature having to do with all gods.
Therefore a creative entity superior to all presupposed gods exists, and that entity is man.

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30-08-2014, 07:30 PM
RE: Theist Morality
(30-08-2014 07:21 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(30-08-2014 07:17 PM)natachan Wrote:  You assert that morality is supernatural. Prove it. Because all evidence seems to indicate otherwise.

1. The supernatural exists. (without it, knowledge could not exist)
2. The human spirit exists for the same reason as above
3. The human spirit is the house of conciousness
4. Morality comes from conciousness.
5. Therefore, morality is supernatural.

Oh please....

1. Assertion. Prove it. I have asked for an explanation but you haven't given any good reason.

2. Define "human spirit" because what you seem to mean is utter nonsense and I don't want to dismiss it without fully understanding your argument.

3. Consciousness is an emergent property of matter, and requires no supernatural explanation. The idea of it having a "house" is as absurd as the idea of a computer code having a house outside the program and hard drive.

4. Morality is the adherence to certain values that are held. These can be held as a result of our biology or out intellect, which is, again, an emergent property of matter. Like a video game has rules based in its programming which are based on a code which is a language based in the software and hard drive of a computer.

5. Assertion. Prove it. Your previous points have been vacuous, so try again.
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30-08-2014, 07:33 PM
RE: Theist Morality
I see this thread going in one of two directions:

1) another meltdown / insults thread
2) an example of flawed vs. reasoned thinking that will be of benefit to casual browsers / doubters in years to come.

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30-08-2014, 08:00 PM
RE: Theist Morality
(30-08-2014 07:33 PM)DLJ Wrote:  I see this thread going in one of two directions:

1) another meltdown / insults thread
2) an example of flawed vs. reasoned thinking that will be of benefit to casual browsers / doubters in years to come.

Popcorn

My bet's on the former...Consider


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30-08-2014, 09:05 PM
RE: Theist Morality
(30-08-2014 07:21 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(30-08-2014 07:17 PM)natachan Wrote:  You assert that morality is supernatural. Prove it. Because all evidence seems to indicate otherwise.

1. The supernatural exists. (without it, knowledge could not exist)
2. The human spirit exists for the same reason as above
3. The human spirit is the house of conciousness
4. Morality comes from conciousness.
5. Therefore, morality is supernatural.

1. Fairies exist. (Without them, wings could not exist)
2. Pixie dust exists for the same reason as above
3. Pixie dust is the source of floating.
4. Flying comes from floating.
5. Therefore, flying is for fairies.

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30-08-2014, 09:12 PM
RE: Theist Morality
(30-08-2014 09:05 PM)Nurse Wrote:  
(30-08-2014 07:21 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  1. The supernatural exists. (without it, knowledge could not exist)
2. The human spirit exists for the same reason as above
3. The human spirit is the house of conciousness
4. Morality comes from conciousness.
5. Therefore, morality is supernatural.

1. Fairies exist. (Without them, wings could not exist)
2. Pixie dust exists for the same reason as above
3. Pixie dust is the source of floating.
4. Flying comes from floating.
5. Therefore, flying is for fairies.

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30-08-2014, 09:17 PM
RE: Theist Morality
(30-08-2014 09:12 PM)Nurse Wrote:  
(30-08-2014 09:05 PM)Nurse Wrote:  1. Fairies exist. (Without them, wings could not exist)
2. Pixie dust exists for the same reason as above
3. Pixie dust is the source of floating.
4. Flying comes from floating.
5. Therefore, flying is for fairies.

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