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18-10-2015, 08:50 AM (This post was last modified: 18-10-2015 09:32 AM by true scotsman.)
RE: Theists must think we're complete morons
(17-10-2015 05:13 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(17-10-2015 03:12 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  There is no such thing as "objective truth". All "truth" is relative to its axiomatic framework. Like by definition and shit.

Is any fact "objective truth"?

On the Christian view, all facts are subjective, that is the product of a form of consciousness. This is known as the primacy of consciousness. This is what all forms of theism affirm.

Truth is the recognition of facts. Facts are not true or false, they just are. Truth is a product of a mind's identification of the facts. It is epistemological in nature.

Truth rests exclusively on the primacy of existence. This is the principle that existents exist independently of anyone's consciousness. This is the conceptual root of the concept objective. The objects of consciousness have primacy over the subject(the conscious observer). On this view consciousness is the faculty which perceives that which exists. Theism reverses this relationship ang grants primacy to the subject over its objects. On this view consciousness is the creator of what exists. So you see, the concept truth is a stolen concept on the Christian view since it denies the conceptual root of the concept truth

Here's the proof that truth rests on the primacy of existence.

1. If truth is the identification of reality based on facts which obtain independently of anyone's conscious activity such as wishing, praying, wanting, deciding, dreaming or imagining, feeling, etc., then truth rests exclusively on the primacy of existence.

2. Truth is the identification of reality based on facts which obtain independently of anyone's conscious activity such as wishing, praying,wanting, deciding, dreaming, imagining, feeling,etc.

Therefore truth rests exclusively on the primacy of existence.

Edit: I wanted to add that the primacy of existence is the most devastating razor in philosophy. It slashes off whole systems of thought at their base, such as theism. Whatever contradicts it con not be true as my argument above shows.

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18-10-2015, 02:04 PM
RE: Theists must think we're complete morons
(18-10-2015 08:50 AM)true scotsman Wrote:  
(17-10-2015 05:13 PM)Alla Wrote:  Is any fact "objective truth"?
Truth is the recognition of facts. Facts are not true or false, they just are. Truth is product of a mind's identification of the facts. It is epistemological in nature.

There are no "facts" which are not banal tautologies. There are only inferences.

There is only one really serious philosophical question, and that is suicide. -Camus
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18-10-2015, 02:28 PM (This post was last modified: 18-10-2015 05:00 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Theists must think we're complete morons
(17-10-2015 09:38 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  What the fuck does this mean in plain English.

Everything's not black or white.

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