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17-10-2015, 04:25 PM (This post was last modified: 17-10-2015 04:29 PM by Free Thought.)
RE: Theists, what brings you to TTA?
(17-10-2015 02:25 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(17-10-2015 08:01 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Oh really, so why are you so against the possibility of God.

I'm not against the possibility of God, I AM God. Alla can vouch for me.

Sir, I submit to you that your source may be less than reliable.

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17-10-2015, 04:34 PM
RE: Theists, what brings you to TTA?
(17-10-2015 04:25 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(17-10-2015 02:25 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  I'm not against the possibility of God, I AM God. Alla can vouch for me.

Sir, I submit to you that your source may be less than reliable.

I concur. It is nonetheless the most credible source I can find.

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17-10-2015, 05:46 PM
RE: Theists, what brings you to TTA?
(17-10-2015 04:01 PM)Unbeliever Wrote:  
(17-10-2015 08:01 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  I am wrong because I only feel certainty as opposed to the dread most of you feel?

You assume that we feel dread.

(17-10-2015 08:01 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  To assume that our innermost workings are their just for shits and giggles is a major flaw of secular thinking.

No one does that.

You do not understand the position that you are attempting to rail against.
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17-10-2015, 05:48 PM
RE: Theists, what brings you to TTA?
(17-10-2015 04:01 PM)Unbeliever Wrote:  
(17-10-2015 08:01 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  I am wrong because I only feel certainty as opposed to the dread most of you feel?

You assume that we feel dread.

(17-10-2015 08:01 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  To assume that our innermost workings are their just for shits and giggles is a major flaw of secular thinking.

No one does that.

You do not understand the position that you are attempting to rail against.
Secular thought is a good thing. But it can impede perception to a linear or more closed view. Tunnel vision isn't that great for figuring out things past ones limited vision.
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17-10-2015, 06:00 PM
RE: Theists, what brings you to TTA?
(17-10-2015 10:29 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(17-10-2015 08:01 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Evolutionkills,

You can deny whatever you want. That has shit to do with me.

Never said that yt?[sic] he nature of existence wasn't dualistic. You can't worship two God's.[sic]

Division is by man just like false doctrine.

I couldn't care less if you personally accept what I say or not.

Yeah I get how that could be a contradiction. Our nature makes us to waver. Through Faith one can be still.


"Your heart gives rise to intrinsic energy"

"The physical world depends on infinite observations"

"Interdependence is in the midst of quantum excellence"

"Intuition reflects the flow of mysteries"



Well, if you're trying to sound like a random Deepak Chopra phrase generator, mission fucking accomplished. You sound as vapid as a chat bot someone created to string words together from a charlatan's Twitter feed.

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Bravo.


(17-10-2015 08:01 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Oh really, so why are you so against the possibility of God.


Is that a question? Because I notice a severe lack of a question mark. Rolleyes

There is a huge gulf between what is possible, and what is probable. I'm open to the possibility of anything, but you only move into the realm of probability if you have empirical evidence to back up your shit; and keep in mind that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Your personal 'feels' do not constitute evidence in the fucking slightest. Drinking Beverage

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I can't help it if you're a credulous fuckwit that latches onto ideas like a baby chicken imprints onto the first thing it comes into contact with.


(17-10-2015 08:01 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Sorry, a global flood resulting from the end of an ice age has not been proven wrong.


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Nobody has to prove your assertion wrong, rather you need to back them up yourself with your own evidence. Parading around yelling "I haven't been proven wrong yet" gets you nowhere you fucking clown.

Because you know why? Nobody has proven that a skull juggling walrus does not exist on the surface of Pluto, therefore it is a fact that one does reside there, right? Rolleyes


Or you could learn how to think like a rational adult instead.


(17-10-2015 08:01 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Note has anything else that I know. You still assume that things aren't real Or[sic] of a certain thing because you can't prove them right or wrong. That's not going with the facts, it's assuming things based on them while denying posibilitis[sic] that work within the things thavhave[sic] been shown to be true.


Hey, dipshit! Pay attention! There is a difference between denying your positive assertion because you lack any empirical evidence to support it, and making a positive claim myself.

I can deny your claims about the supernatural, simply because you haven't presented any empirical evidence to support the existence of the supernatural. So until you can, fuck your empty assertions. That's all you have, baseless assertions; because your 'feels' are not evidence you credulous ignorant fuck. Drinking Beverage


(17-10-2015 08:01 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Anyone who assumes that existence is simply the observable is a fool. An effect cannot be its own cause.


Prove it.

With evidence.

Or get the fuck out.


(17-10-2015 08:01 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Faith

So I'm wrong because you assume that all on the past were wrong?


No, you're just an idiot for taking what they say at face value. I do not, because there are very good reasons to doubt claims made on unverifiable hearsay.

You know, hearsay? Evidence considered so weak and prone to both human fault and tampering that it's not even admissible in a court of law. Keeping in mind what eyewitness testimony is, and yet realize that even eyewitness testimony is inadmissible in scientific peer review because it lacks empirical verification and precision. So if you're going to make a positive claim in favor of anything supernatural, you're sure as shit going to have to do better than a couple of thousands year old fables and your personal 'feels'.


(17-10-2015 08:01 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  I am wrong because my theories are irrefutable by scientific fact?


You're wrong because you absolutely fail to meet your own burden of proof.





Get yourself an education son.


(17-10-2015 08:01 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  I am wrong because I only feel certainty as opposed to the dread most of you feel?


Dread? Hardly. My position is intellectually honest, your's is a crock of shit.

But early humans being certain the Earth was flat didn't make it any more true dipshit. Drinking Beverage


(17-10-2015 08:01 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  To assume that our innermost workings are their[sic] just for shits and giggles is a major flaw of secular thinking.


There may be a purpose, there may not be. But I know enough to know that you don't fucking know, and you need to shut the fuck up and stop pretending like you do.

Because claiming to know things that you can not show to be evidently true, makes you a liar and a charlatan.


(17-10-2015 08:01 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  As is pain receptors and nerves are useless. As if joy and sorrow aren't indicators of significance and reality.


You getting to a point there in your rambling mess?

Because it's still not evidence in favor of your assertions. You inability to imagine how things could be otherwise than how you assume them to be, is not itself evidence in favor that they are indeed that way; it is only evidence for your own mental shortcomings. Lack of imagination is not evidence for anything else but your lack of imagination.


(17-10-2015 08:01 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  So now I can't be a certain way because you haven't been that way? Sounds like the rest.


You can convince me if you have sufficient evidence to meet the burden of proof that you saddle yourself with whenever you make a positive claim.

As of yet, you have utterly and completely failed to even come close to meeting your burden, and so we all remain skeptical. Not only that, but your failures are so common, and your ineptitude so comical, that we all feel rather confident in dismissing you entirely. You are just another in a long list of supremely oblivious and ignorant people selling surprisingly similar variations of the same tired bullshit. They've all passed on or been banned without meeting their burden's of proof, so we have little reason to think that you're any more likely to buck this trend. But go ahead, it would be nice to be surprised.

Want to challenge that perception? Make with the empirical evidence. Can't do that? Then sit down and shut up.


(17-10-2015 08:01 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Gotta work, can't waste time n[sic] you right now.


Spend some time working on that evidence before you come back, or don't bother coming back; you're a waste of fucking air as is. Drinking Beverage
If I'm a waste of your time then why continue to waste it. I don't have the means to prove anything with scientific data. Others do. It's not on me to prove anything. I'm just to advise.
I'm here for a reason. Time will tell all. In the meantime I will continue my path. Perhaps I will find some proof along the way, in which case I would most likely submit it if able.

It a up to scientists to prove stuff. Me being just a person with experience allows me to assert what I know to be true without scientific data. You don't have to believe anything at all.
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17-10-2015, 07:18 PM
RE: Theists, what brings you to TTA?
(17-10-2015 06:00 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  If I'm a waste of your time then why continue to waste it. I don't have the means to prove anything with scientific data. Others do. It's not on me to prove anything. I'm just to advise.
I'm here for a reason. Time will tell all. In the meantime I will continue my path. Perhaps I will find some proof along the way, in which case I would most likely submit it if able.

It a up to scientists to prove stuff. Me being just a person with experience allows me to assert what I know to be true without scientific data. You don't have to believe anything at all.


Please consider taking a class in writing and grammar. I've read your posts (many of them several times) and have no idea what you are trying to say in most of them.

I've heard it said that writing one's thoughts out is a very effective way to fully discover what one believes and why. You might find yourself better able to clarify your thinking and present yourself in a more favorable light if you just took a bit of time to refine your writing skills. At this point, I'm sorry to say, your style renders your writing barely coherent, never mind your actual content.

As to your content, that you assert "It's not on me to prove anything" reflects, I think, the main source of the ongoing disagreement here. This can't possibly be a new concept, as I've seen many people attempt to explain the concept of the "burden of proof." Positive claims require positive evidence. If you can't or won't comprehend that simple axiom, there really isn't much else to talk about if we want to make any progress at all.

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17-10-2015, 07:42 PM
RE: Theists, what brings you to TTA?
(17-10-2015 07:18 PM)TheMrBillShow Wrote:  
(17-10-2015 06:00 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  If I'm a waste of your time then why continue to waste it. I don't have the means to prove anything with scientific data. Others do. It's not on me to prove anything. I'm just to advise.
I'm here for a reason. Time will tell all. In the meantime I will continue my path. Perhaps I will find some proof along the way, in which case I would most likely submit it if able.

It a up to scientists to prove stuff. Me being just a person with experience allows me to assert what I know to be true without scientific data. You don't have to believe anything at all.


Please consider taking a class in writing and grammar. I've read your posts (many of them several times) and have no idea what you are trying to say in most of them.

I've heard it said that writing one's thoughts out is a very effective way to fully discover what one believes and why. You might find yourself better able to clarify your thinking and present yourself in a more favorable light if you just took a bit of time to refine your writing skills. At this point, I'm sorry to say, your style renders your writing barely coherent, never mind your actual content.

As to your content, that you assert "It's not on me to prove anything" reflects, I think, the main source of the ongoing disagreement here. This can't possibly be a new concept, as I've seen many people attempt to explain the concept of the "burden of proof." Positive claims require positive evidence. If you can't or won't comprehend that simple axiom, there really isn't much else to talk about if we want to make any progress at all.
I understand it fine. But I can't prove shit. It is up to the individual to find out for themselves. I can try and help though. Kinda light a spark if you will. I have a lot of difficulty with this phone and general, to wild grammatical and spelling errors. Affix that to a tendency to not write in conventional terms more often than not, and their you have it. I try to clarify. It's generally seen as more unintelligible ramblings. But yeah, I'm workin on it.
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17-10-2015, 09:29 PM (This post was last modified: 17-10-2015 09:34 PM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Theists, what brings you to TTA?
(17-10-2015 06:00 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  If I'm a waste of your time then why continue to waste it.


If I came into your house and took a steaming pile of shit on your living room floor, would you consider cleaning that up a productive and meaningful use of your time?

It's not a simple matter of desire, it's an obligation.


(17-10-2015 06:00 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  I don't have the means to prove anything with scientific data.


Can't back up your claims? Then stop making them, or else own up to the fact that you're a lying piece of shit and a charlatan scumbag.


(17-10-2015 06:00 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Others do. It's not on me to prove anything. I'm just to advise.


If you make a claim, you create your burden of proof. Don't like it? Can't own up to it? Then stop making claims, or own up to the fact that you're full of shit.


(17-10-2015 06:00 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  I'm here for a reason. Time will tell all. In the meantime I will continue my path. Perhaps I will find some proof along the way, in which case I would most likely submit it if able.


If your 'proof'' doesn't stand up to scrutiny, guess what? It wasn't fucking good evidence you twat!


(17-10-2015 06:00 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  It a up to scientists to prove stuff. Me being just a person with experience allows me to assert what I know to be true without scientific data.


You can assert anything you want, assert the moon is made out of cheese and the Earth is hollow and inhabited by Mole-men; but no one else need take anything you say seriously without evidence to back it up. Making baseless assertions without evidence puts you into the same category as other woo-peddlers, snake oil salesmen, hotline psychics, and general charlatans. That's what you are, a bullshit peddler.



(17-10-2015 06:00 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  You don't have to believe anything at all.


No shit, and we will continue you give you the derision you so rightly deserve the more bullshit you try to peddle. Drinking Beverage

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17-10-2015, 09:31 PM
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17-10-2015, 10:36 PM
RE: Theists, what brings you to TTA?
Evolutionkills,

I didn't realize obligation and the wasting of time where synonymous.

I'm not lying. I can back up my claims completely. I just don't have physical evidence for a third party. I'm not making any kind of burden on anything. I'm just talking about what brought me here. We have an understanding; I can't give physical evidence and neither can you. Your argument doesn't stand because regardless of my view it is not of me, nor am I the first to have it. So really I'm just being evidence for claims made long ago.

I know you take a lot of offence to people talking about why they are here as stated in the op, but just because my opinion isn't the same as yours doesn't mean you should be so repeatedly and blatently negative towards me in such a manner ad you have exudd without fault.

You sure seem to have a lot of anger.

Poor little buddy.
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