They Got Me When I was Young
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18-02-2014, 01:59 PM
RE: They Got Me When I was Young
I was raised Lutheran. It was one of those things I never questioned for 20 years. Even then, I actively fought opposing points of view for quite some time. It took me years to finally shake loose of it.
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18-02-2014, 04:54 PM
RE: They Got Me When I was Young
I feel quite a bit of resentment to my family for raising me as a ''muslim'' child. As if a child could really think about Islamic theology, or philosophical contentious topics such as the existence of a deity who is so petty that he'd throw you in Hell for simply not believing in him.

More startling, is how they try to scare you into obedience by saying that if you do not follow their teachings, you're going to burn in hell with all of the people who rejected the (claimed with no substance) one true faith. I can't tell you how many times I'd go to bed at night scared that I'd go to this awful place called a Hell. I feel like my parents child abused me mentally by raising me with their opinions. How dare they refer to me as a muslim child, when I am a child of muslim parents? I feel like telling parents like that of my own not to infect their children with their delusions, because we need their kids for the future.

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I see my little sister who is only 7 being made to go to religious sunday school and being made to say words off of this so called ''holy'' book. It seems as though my parents are going extra hard on her so that she doesn't end up like me, as if that's a terrible thing.

My little sister recently came up to me and said "Do you believe in god"? I didn't know how to say this to her, but all I said was that she shouldn't think about that, that she should just enjoy her childhood and that she should not believe what people say. I just said think for yourself, and she whispered to me she didn't know if god existed, which made me happy because she already was thinking for herself despite the religious illogical crap trying to be drilled into her head.

Religious beliefs are so incredibly bizarre, that only a child naive enough to believe if Santa Clause existed, would believe in something less credible like god if parents who were brainwashed as children themselves told them. Yeah, I said it, it's more likely Santa Clause exists than god!

Why can people feed their children religious beliefs that they believe, and it is not frowned upon generally?

What about Politics?

Why is it okay to raise a child with your religious beliefs but not for example your political views?

Sigh.

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18-02-2014, 08:40 PM
RE: They Got Me When I was Young
Dark, I'm curious about a few things. Did they teach the really crazy stuff to the young kids, like becoming a god, and if so when did you start to question it? Do you think there are a large number who stay in the faith while not believing all that BS? Did the Mormons you knew have an elitist attitude? Thanks.
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19-02-2014, 12:01 PM
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(18-02-2014 08:40 PM)freetoreason Wrote:  Dark, I'm curious about a few things. Did they teach the really crazy stuff to the young kids, like becoming a god, and if so when did you start to question it?

There are some parts of the doctrine that are restricted because they only are taught within the walls of the temple. The only young people who can enter the temple are twelve year old children assigned to do baptisms for the dead. They do not participate in the endowment ceremony where most of the restricted information is presented.

Becoming a god is not considered a restricted doctrine, but was commonly mentioned in Sunday School to me many times. I know it seems so strange from our perspective, but when you are a child taught such things from birth, it hardly seems weirder than anything else.

My initial questioning was young and innocent. Prayer seemed useless. I couldn't find any accurate means of determining what was from or of god, and what was not. It seemed to me that people just made it up whenever it suited something they were doing, or a point they were trying to make.

The number one catalyst for my deconversion was my private sexual life. From an early age I was taught every self loathing sado-masochistic sexual taboo known to the Western world. I had such a strong sex drive that I was unable to reconcile my innate desires with the rigid doctrine I was being taught. It doesn't take more than a few experiments to determine that sex is deeply wonderful and fulfilling and I was far too honest to deny my feelings. Even without the emotional factor, which was so powerful for me, an even more confusing conundrum presented itself. Where is the sense in creating the sexual impulse in human beings and then forbidding it? Some questions are unanswerable by theology.


Quote:Do you think there are a large number who stay in the faith while not believing all that BS?


I cannot say for certain, by my experience leads me to speculate very few. Mormon doctrine is irreducibly complex. Remove the temple, god, Jesus, Joseph Smith, or the Book of Mormon and you no longer have a workable testimony. I think that those who disbelieve usually leave, with a few exceptions.

Quote:Did the Mormons you knew have an elitist attitude?

Absolutely. Mormonism breeds judgement and elitism. It has different levels of heaven based upon how one performs on earth. Priesthood authority is denied women. One person ruling over another is commonplace and accepted as the status quo. Mormonism makes the lofty claim of restoring the original Christianity of the New Testament to the earth, implying that all other Christian groups are corrupt and incorrect. I don't think you can believe things like this and not be elitist.

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19-02-2014, 07:49 PM
RE: They Got Me When I was Young
(18-02-2014 09:52 AM)wazzel Wrote:  
(18-02-2014 09:45 AM)Chas Wrote:  No one is "born a Mormon" or any other religion. People are simply unfortunate to be born into a religion-crazed family or culture.

Agree, that is why I said "I was born into a very catholic family...."

Sorry about that - I responded to the wrong post.Blush

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19-02-2014, 10:45 PM
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(19-02-2014 12:01 PM)Dark Phoenix Wrote:  Where is the sense in creating the sexual impulse in human beings and then forbidding it? Some questions are unanswerable by theology.

Great responses. This was a huge one for me as well. The sexual stuff was my biggest source of guilt, and I couldn't understand why god would ask us to deny our natural urges. Funny thing is, now that I'm free to watch as much porn as I want I have less desire to than when I was a Christian.
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20-02-2014, 12:07 AM
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(19-02-2014 10:45 PM)freetoreason Wrote:  
(19-02-2014 12:01 PM)Dark Phoenix Wrote:  Where is the sense in creating the sexual impulse in human beings and then forbidding it? Some questions are unanswerable by theology.

Great responses. This was a huge one for me as well. The sexual stuff was my biggest source of guilt, and I couldn't understand why god would ask us to deny our natural urges. Funny thing is, now that I'm free to watch as much porn as I want I have less desire to than when I was a Christian.

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20-02-2014, 03:26 AM
RE: They Got Me When I was Young
(18-02-2014 12:33 PM)Dark Phoenix Wrote:  Our stories seem similar, except that I rebelled openly rather than be complicit in what I did not believe in. Honestly, your covert unbelief was probably safer. I had a rough time.

I breathe a sigh of relief knowing that at least one little girl is spared the Mormon mind-rape. Thank you.

I would love to chat sometime. I will message you.

I'm sorry to hear you had a rough time of it. It doesn't seem to be easy for anyone to leave the church, sadly, no matter the approach. There is a lot of heartache, grief, guilt, and anger due to the lack of understanding from believers. My mother has said some very hurtful things over the years, some questioning my parenting skills and whether or not I am damaging my daughter by not raising her in the church. Irony is quite commonplace in my interactions with her, as I'm sure you could relate.

There is a subreddit made specifically for Ex-Mormons that is very often uplifting and supportive, and quite entertaining as well. Check it out when you get a chance, if you haven't already: http://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon

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20-02-2014, 04:06 AM
RE: They Got Me When I was Young
(18-02-2014 03:29 AM)Dark Phoenix Wrote:  I was born a Mormon. That seems like a perfectly normal English sentence, but it really doesn't capture just how strange a concept that is. Before I ever opened my eyes or drew breath the major values and decisions of my life were already planned on my behalf. I was born "under the covenant", or in other words, automatically grandfathered into the temple "seal" which binds my parents together for "time and all eternity". My parent's temple marriage awarded me adopted status into the lineage of Abraham and rights to his many promises from god. As a male, I would receive the Priesthood or "the power and authority to act in god's name." I would be joining an ancestry of Mormons stretching back to the time of Joseph Smith himself. All of this, and more, was my inheritance.

When I entered this world, I was named "A Defender of the Faith" and it was said by my parents, my father in particular, that I would grow up to be a strong protector of Jesus Christ and of his church. I was taught to read young, and exposed to Mormon children's books at my earliest ages. My education was constant and unwavering when it came to Mormonism. To me, Mormonism was not a religion, but a way of life. Family, community, friends, media, conversation, and fun all revolved around the central tenants of our shared faith in Mormon theology. Within this tight, safe, warm, shell I was shielded well from outside influence, and educated in all things Mormon.

When I was eight years old I agreed to be baptized an official member of the Mormon church. I was immersed in the water, and was then given "the gift of the holy ghost" by the "laying on of hands" by my father directly. When I was twelve, he placed his hands upon my head again and gave me "The Aaronic Priesthood", the first of two priesthoods within the church, that of lesser authority. At fourteen and sixteen respectively, further ranks within that priesthood were granted to me, although not always by the hand of my father as before.

Looking back on all of this now, I feel like a complete stranger looking into the childhood of another complete stranger. Who is this boy? What manner of childhood is this? How could I have allowed my life to be so rigidly controlled? How did I not notice the marionette strings making me dance to their tune? All I can think is "They got me when I was young. I didn't know any better."

What was done to me, was child abuse. Now, before anyone claims I am crying wolf, I have not told my whole story here, nor will I. Suffice it to say that an education was not my only childhood difficulty. There is more to the abuse, which I do not always discuss, but may choose to one day. When I say that it was abuse, I am deadly serious.

Am I alone? Did they get you when you were young? How did you make it out?

Am I alone in seeing religious children now, and feeling a deep hollow sadness within, knowing what they are experiencing every day?

I don't think I will ever fully understand stories like these; they seem so distant and alien to my own upbringing.

Well for the absolute nothing it's worth coming from me: congratulations on freeing yourself.

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20-02-2014, 04:57 AM (This post was last modified: 20-02-2014 10:17 AM by DLJ.)
RE: They Got Me When I was Young
(18-02-2014 12:46 PM)Dark Phoenix Wrote:  ...
I would hate to put my heart and soul into the blog and then have it become an empty echo in cyberspace.
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"One still voice may not be heard.

One loud voice, or many voices make many echoes.

Many echoes may start avalanches"

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