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05-03-2014, 03:11 AM (This post was last modified: 05-03-2014 03:28 AM by donotwant.)
Things God can't do
Anyway I compiled list of things god is not able to do based on http://www.iep.utm.edu/evil-log/ and http://www.letusreason.org/Apolo2.htm

  1. God is not able to lie.
  2. God is not able to cheat.
  3. God is not able to steal.
  4. God is not able to be unjust.
  5. God is not able to be envious.
  6. God is not able to fail to know what is right.
  7. God is not able to fail to do what he knows to be right.
  8. God is not able to have false beliefs about anything.
  9. God is not able to be ignorant.
  10. God is not able to be unwise.
  11. God is not able to cease to exist.
  12. God is not able to make a mistake of any kind.
  13. God is not able to contradict himself.
  14. God is not able to make another God.


Also here is platingas additional one "God is not able to make significantly free creatures and to causally determine that they will always choose what is right and avoid what is wrong."

He also blames natural evil on the adams sin(big fail).

Anyway what I find curious is that since god can do EVERYTHING which is not on this list he can protect people from violence.
We have police that protects people from violence and god can do what the police is trying to do without fail.
Therefore both free will is intact and nobody is getting hurt.

Also platingas defense doesn't address problem of heaven(which Robby posted about before) which is also in the article about problem of evil.

Another thing is that if we have lets say 2 holy texts which say different things. How do we determine which one of them is a lie? Because god is not able to lie by those parameters listed above if we find a lie it's not from god.
Also if we find anything immoral it is also not from god. But if we have 2 texts and they say 2 different things one of them has to be immoral. How do we determine which one?
It basically renders divine command theory useless since we have no way to make a difference between gods command and mans command if we just take it on faith.

Btw since god always knows what is right and is always doing what is right(by the parameters above). When he does not protect people from violence he is doing moral action. Does that mean police is doing an immoral action? Or doctors when they cure diseases god doesn't?
Also if we find 2 contradictory things in a holy text it means one of em is from man since god is not able to contradict himself. I think these parameters render lots of holy texts man made right off the bat.

Another problem is how do you distinguish from a truth written by man or a truth written by god. Because men are also capable of writing true things.
So if we find a so called holy text and find out that 50% of it is truth and moral and 50% is a lie and immoral. What do we do? How are they gonna prove the text is written by god? Especially if it has lies and immoral stuff in it.

It also proves that secular morality is the only morality that we have because we can't use anything else to determine if what is written in the book is moral or not.
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05-03-2014, 03:34 AM
RE: Things God can't do
Do you know what also fits within all of those parameters of what a god cannot do?


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05-03-2014, 07:56 AM
RE: Things God can't do
This is essentially the GRP restated.

All the things God "can't" do are semantics. It's a redefining of omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence. The simple conclusion is that if there is an acceptance of any of the O3's then anything contradictory to that particular word cannot exist. If it does exist, then you're redefining the word, and it's not an absolute anymore. Instead of being "all powerful", omnipotence becomes "super powerful" but with limits.

This has always been my problem with the GRP because it's a false dilemma.

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05-03-2014, 07:57 AM
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(05-03-2014 07:56 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  This is essentially the GRP restated.

All the things God "can't" do are semantics. It's a redefining of omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence. The simple conclusion is that if there is an acceptance of any of the O3's then anything contradictory to that particular word cannot exist. If it does exist, then you're redefining the word, and it's not an absolute anymore. Instead of being "all powerful", omnipotence becomes "super powerful" but with limits.

This has always been my problem with the GRP because it's a false dilemma.

The problem is that an Omnimax being could not exist in a universe like the one we are in. Not and have Human beings be their focus.

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05-03-2014, 08:02 AM
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Erm...... I'm not sure mere humans could ever represent a god via a list (?) Moreso, the mere fact that humans have always humanized a god in order to explain or better understand their god has been suspect from day one. Wtf........ is it a god or Not a god? Cause if it's god......then yanno what? We don't know - cause mortals could likely NOT really appreciate what a god is, much less what a god does or doesn't do. So...


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05-03-2014, 08:13 AM
RE: Things God can't do
(05-03-2014 07:57 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(05-03-2014 07:56 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  This is essentially the GRP restated.

All the things God "can't" do are semantics. It's a redefining of omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence. The simple conclusion is that if there is an acceptance of any of the O3's then anything contradictory to that particular word cannot exist. If it does exist, then you're redefining the word, and it's not an absolute anymore. Instead of being "all powerful", omnipotence becomes "super powerful" but with limits.

This has always been my problem with the GRP because it's a false dilemma.

The problem is that an Omnimax being could not exist in a universe like the one we are in. Not and have Human beings be their focus.

Exactly.

That's the real argument. The focus should be how O3 is incompatible and illogical within the realm of our known world. Instead people focus on the GRP when it consists of no real argument.

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05-03-2014, 08:34 AM
RE: Things God can't do
Omnipotence is impossible because of paradoxes. The omnipotence you are talking about is rejected by many people already.
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05-03-2014, 08:43 AM
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Didnt someone post a thread like this recently already?

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05-03-2014, 09:07 AM
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(05-03-2014 08:34 AM)donotwant Wrote:  Omnipotence is impossible because of paradoxes. The omnipotence you are talking about is rejected by many people already.


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05-03-2014, 09:09 AM
RE: Things God can't do
Both Platinga and WLC for instance think that god can't make 2+2=5 or draw a squared circle or make rock so heavy he can't lift it.
I think same can be said for Lennox and Slick.
That's why non contradiction property got added.
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