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07-11-2014, 01:36 PM (This post was last modified: 07-11-2014 01:43 PM by WindyCityJazz.)
RE: This Little Girl Is My Fucking Hero!
(07-11-2014 12:40 PM)wazzel Wrote:  
(07-11-2014 12:04 PM)Impulse Wrote:  What you're missing is that this is far more than that. It's not like she was sitting around the dinner table and yelled "shut up" at Uncle Ed because she didn't agree with what he said. This preacher was an intrusion in her life at that moment. That was the problem, not his opinion. And he started the whole thing by imposing himself on everyone else around there.

I am not missing that. The street preacher is being totally inconsiderate. Is the problem really that his is loud or is it the subject matter? Would you feel the same is two people got loud talking about sports and some kid ran up and started yelling at them to shut up? Sure they are being inconsiderate, but is yelling "shut up" the thing to do?

Would you feel the same way if it was some skinhead on a street corner preaching that all black people are evil criminals, and a black person came up to them and told them to shut up? Because saying that the topic the person is shouting about is irrelevant is ridiculous.

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07-11-2014, 01:43 PM
RE: This Little Girl Is My Fucking Hero!
(07-11-2014 01:36 PM)WindyCityJazz Wrote:  
(07-11-2014 12:40 PM)wazzel Wrote:  I am not missing that. The street preacher is being totally inconsiderate. Is the problem really that his is loud or is it the subject matter? Would you feel the same is two people got loud talking about sports and some kid ran up and started yelling at them to shut up? Sure they are being inconsiderate, but is yelling "shut up" the thing to do?

Would you feel the same way if it was some skinhead on a street corner preaching that all black people are evil criminals, and a black person came up to them and told them to shut up?

I guess that would depend on how they are going about it. I suspect if they were being overt and calling people out I would not be so bothered if someone confronted them. If they were being covert and non-direct I would be less inclined to think a confrontation was OK. This street preacher was just preaching, not calling people out or yelling or being aggressive. I do not know the background, but starting off aggressive in this case did not seem appropriate at least from that little clip we saw.
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07-11-2014, 03:14 PM
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(07-11-2014 11:25 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(07-11-2014 11:17 AM)Plan 9 from OS Wrote:  I also rewatched the video. Notice how the girl would yell something, pause to glance at the camera and then go back into laying into the preacher? One of two things were happening: 1) either she was acting out because she had an "audience", or 2) the camera man was encouraging the girl to act out. That's the most logical conclusion based on the video evidence.

IMHO, believing that this girl was acting like the alter ego of St. Joan of Arc is the stuff of myths and legends. Clearly, she is acting out. I'm not sure what her motivation is, but rewatching the video clearly shows the girl is glancing at the camera to figure out what she should do next... Acting out or being used by an adult. It's as plain as day.

My impression from the video was that the girl was coached ahead of time. It was just a vibe I got and I don't really know. If it true then the girl was just a tool of someone else.

The reaction of many in this forum to video reminded me of the reaction of many to a picture of little kid dressed in a mock suicide vest. The infitada crowd thought it was cute.

"If it true then the girl was just a tool of someone else."

Oh the irony!
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07-11-2014, 05:16 PM
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(07-11-2014 10:50 AM)Plan 9 from OS Wrote:  She's a child. Children don't have the rights to the same autonomy as adults. They have the same protections under the law to keep them safe and not to be exploited, but they do not have the full fledged rights as a U.S. adult to do what they want when they want like a normal adult. My kids are all under 18, which means they have curfews plus I censor what they are allowed and not allowed to see on TV and the internet. I'm not going to lose sleep over "restricting" my children's freedoms because I'm not letting them consume porn, forcing them to have curfews or holding them to standards of behavior in public places.

Yes, she does not have the same rights as adults when it comes to things like staying out all night because it is for her protection. However, just because she is a child does not mean that she doesn't have the right to criticize somebody who is spewing their bullshit at her. Just because the preacher is an adult and she is a child does not mean that she just has to sit down and shut up while he spews his crap about how anybody that isn't a Christian needs to become one.

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07-11-2014, 05:40 PM
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(07-11-2014 10:58 AM)wazzel Wrote:  
(07-11-2014 10:51 AM)CleverUsername Wrote:  I know you're not going for the respect angle. But a ton of other people do, and we know for a fact preachers generally are given way more respect than they've earned, and that's why people are for seeing someone just flat out treat them like any other loony. No, it's not a good thing to just scream for people to shut up, but it's also not a good thing to spew bullcrud to random passerby. So if someone, who is young enough that actual series debate is extremely unlikely as even if she was some kind of genius he'd probably brush her off, tells the person doing the spewing to shut up, generally, it's going to be seen as justified.

The only thing that will discourage street preachers is totally ignoring them. Any kind of interaction will only confirm to them they are being heard. As far as I can tell, angry confrontations are the ones that encourage them the most. Besides coming off looking like a brat, she probably ensured he will be back next year with friends.

Wazzel, I get where you're coming from with the whole "we're encouraging the Christian persecution complex by confronting them", but I would make the argument that by ignoring them we are encouraging their belief that they deserve a free pass when it comes to them trying to shove their religious beliefs down the throats of the public. This whole attitude of "I get to spout my religious crap in public all I want, and if people don't like it, then they just need to shut up! If they do criticize me, then they are being rude and disrespectful!" that religious people have is simply being fed by people always ignoring them. It's time that we revoke the free pass they get to be the most annoying douchebags they want and be free of criticism for it.

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09-11-2014, 09:31 PM
This Little Girl Is My Fucking Hero!
I love that lil girl. Maybe she know the history of these sick christians in Salem

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09-11-2014, 11:57 PM
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Indoctrination may occur on both sides of the debate. This child is most likely not mature enough to logically conclude that a creator (or the specified creator within the video) does or does not exist, and thus she most likely attained the idea from her parents.

A philosophical mind not subjected to indoctrination may come upon the conclusion that we have a creator, as everything our brain perceives needs meaning, and meaning within the universe is attained spiritually in the absence of empirical evidence.

To me, knowing that her parents have subjected her to their beliefs (which may be logically concluded) without first waiting until she is able to rationalize them herself, is sickening.

I do not agree with either sides within this video. They are both sickening. I am also surprised that those within this thread do not disapprove of the actions of this little girl.

The little girl also fails to listen to the man before she caws her excruciatingly painful whine, indicating that she is not an open-minded individual, indicating that her parents are not open-minded individuals, suggesting that all within this video are ignorant.

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10-11-2014, 12:04 AM
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Christ. She's a fucken kid. Kids act like brats all the time. It was funny, OP thought so & posted. It's not fucken Armageddon, it's not an act with any particular meaning, it's a kid doing something funny. Fuck sakes...

If anything this thread has demoed for me the endless human capability to be a bunch of humourless fucks Rolleyes

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10-11-2014, 12:13 AM
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(10-11-2014 12:04 AM)morondog Wrote:  Christ. She's a fucken kid. Kids act like brats all the time. It was funny, OP thought so & posted. It's not fucken Armageddon, it's not an act with any particular meaning, it's a kid doing something funny. Fuck sakes...

If anything this thread has demoed for me the endless human capability to be a bunch of humourless fucks Rolleyes

Damn straight!

If that man would had been preaching allah or something about scientology or atheism on the streets and the little girl did that. Everyone would be praising her for standing up for what is "right" and being a brave little girl by telling the man to shut up.

It is really quite funny really. Plus, just watching a little girl tell someone they need to stop talking is just hilarious. Laugh out load


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10-11-2014, 07:43 AM
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(09-11-2014 11:57 PM)UndercoverAtheist Wrote:  Indoctrination may occur on both sides of the debate. This child is most likely not mature enough to logically conclude that a creator (or the specified creator within the video) does or does not exist, and thus she most likely attained the idea from her parents.

A philosophical mind not subjected to indoctrination may come upon the conclusion that we have a creator, as everything our brain perceives needs meaning, and meaning within the universe is attained spiritually in the absence of empirical evidence.

Or just maybe meaning is achieved through reason.

Quote:To me, knowing that her parents have subjected her to their beliefs (which may be logically concluded) without first waiting until she is able to rationalize them herself, is sickening.

At about that age I was able to determine my belief that gods did not exist.

Quote:I do not agree with either sides within this video. They are both sickening. I am also surprised that those within this thread do not disapprove of the actions of this little girl.

You are welcome to be sickened; I am merely bemused.

Quote:The little girl also fails to listen to the man before she caws her excruciatingly painful whine, indicating that she is not an open-minded individual, indicating that her parents are not open-minded individuals, suggesting that all within this video are ignorant.

Do you actually know that she hadn't already been listening to him for several minutes?

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