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21-02-2015, 09:05 AM
RE: This is Fitnah here
(21-02-2015 05:29 AM)Fitnah Wrote:  Thanks everyone.

(20-02-2015 09:16 AM)Chas Wrote:  Maybe you could start a thread on how and why you thought as a jihadist.

Oh no - I'm just tired of that.

(20-02-2015 10:09 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  So are you an atheist?

Oh and welcome.

No, I still consider myself a Muslim (perhaps the indoctrination worked?) - maybe a Quranist - but definitely believe in God. Why not?

Hello.

If you are going to remain as a Muslim, then yes, the best way to be a Muslim is to be Quaranist only.

The Sunnah and the Hadith are the biggest problem with Islam. Too many people understand them so differently that they can become terrorists because of the Sunnah and Hadith.

At least if you are Quran only, all you ever need to do is say, "There is no God but Allah," and you are doing all you need to do, really. But if you are using the Saudi Arabian Quran by Dr. Muhsin Khan and Dr. Muhammad Al-Hilali, then you are being mislead. That Quran is evil in every way.

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21-02-2015, 09:31 AM
RE: This is Fitnah here
(21-02-2015 09:05 AM)Free Wrote:  
(21-02-2015 05:29 AM)Fitnah Wrote:  Thanks everyone.





Oh no - I'm just tired of that.





No, I still consider myself a Muslim (perhaps the indoctrination worked?) - maybe a Quranist - but definitely believe in God. Why not?



Hello.



If you are going to remain as a Muslim, then yes, the best way to be a Muslim is to be Quaranist only.



The Sunnah and the Hadith are the biggest problem with Islam. Too many people understand them so differently that they can become terrorists because of the Sunnah and Hadith.



At least if you are Quran only, all you ever need to do is say, "There is no God but Allah," and you are doing all you need to do, really. But if you are using the Saudi Arabian Quran by Dr. Muhsin Khan and Dr. Muhammad Al-Hilali, then you are being mislead. That Quran is evil in every way.

If the Qur'an is "evil in every way", then translations do not matter
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21-02-2015, 09:42 AM
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(21-02-2015 09:05 AM)Free Wrote:  ....
then you are being mislead. That Quran is evil in every way.

Ahem! Intro thread rules. Keep it civil / non-confrontational in here please.

Cheers


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21-02-2015, 10:16 AM
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(20-02-2015 08:36 AM)Fitnah Wrote:  I am an ex-Jihadist Muslim(?) and I would like to understand how we're supposed to think.

Don't mix your styles.

Black is very slimming.

Try to avoid colours that clash. They should be different enough to easily tell apart but still complementary to one another.

Anything too fashionable will eventually look unfashionable.

Other than that, not sure what else I can tell you.
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21-02-2015, 10:30 AM (This post was last modified: 21-02-2015 10:38 AM by Free.)
RE: This is Fitnah here
(21-02-2015 09:42 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(21-02-2015 09:05 AM)Free Wrote:  ....
then you are being mislead. That Quran is evil in every way.

Ahem! Intro thread rules. Keep it civil / non-confrontational in here please.

Cheers


Not being confrontational with the poster. You cut off the first part of that quote which said:

"But if you are using the Saudi Arabian Quran by Dr. Muhsin Khan and Dr. Muhammad Al-Hilali, then you are being mislead. That Quran is evil in every way."

I am speaking about a specific translation of the Quran, and advising him to avoid it since he specified that he has chosen to be Quranic only. That particular translation has been interpolated with words that target Christians and Jews with disgust. It effectively turns the Quran into "hate speech."

It's just friendly advice.

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21-02-2015, 10:39 AM
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(21-02-2015 10:30 AM)Free Wrote:  ...
I am speaking about a specific translation of the Quran, and advising him to avoid it since he specified that he has chosen to be Quranic only. That particular translation has been interpolated with words that target Christians and Jews with disgust. It effectively turns the Quran into "hate speech."

It's just friendly advice.

But it's not unicorns and rainbows.

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21-02-2015, 10:49 AM
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(21-02-2015 10:39 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(21-02-2015 10:30 AM)Free Wrote:  ...
I am speaking about a specific translation of the Quran, and advising him to avoid it since he specified that he has chosen to be Quranic only. That particular translation has been interpolated with words that target Christians and Jews with disgust. It effectively turns the Quran into "hate speech."

It's just friendly advice.

But it's not unicorns and rainbows.

Actually it is. He has made a very wise decision to be Quranic only. I commended him for that. That is a very VERY big move on his part if you understand Islam. He knows exactly what I am talking about.

I simply gave him the right advice on what he needs to do to remain Quranic only. The version of the Quran that I mentioned has been interpolated, and does not represent the real Quran.

Hence, if he's going to be Quranic only, then he needs a Quran that has not been tampered with in any way.

I need you to trust me on this. I have extensive experience with Islam. That's all I ask.

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21-02-2015, 10:52 AM
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(21-02-2015 10:39 AM)DLJ Wrote:  But it's not unicorns and rainbows.

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21-02-2015, 11:05 AM
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(21-02-2015 10:49 AM)Free Wrote:  I need you to trust me on this. I have extensive experience with Islam. That's all I ask.

I trust you. Trust me on that. But did you miss my point?

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21-02-2015, 11:37 AM
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(21-02-2015 10:49 AM)Free Wrote:  
(21-02-2015 10:39 AM)DLJ Wrote:  But it's not unicorns and rainbows.

Actually it is. He has made a very wise decision to be Quranic only. I commended him for that. That is a very VERY big move on his part if you understand Islam. He knows exactly what I am talking about.

I simply gave him the right advice on what he needs to do to remain Quranic only. The version of the Quran that I mentioned has been interpolated, and does not represent the real Quran.

Hence, if he's going to be Quranic only, then he needs a Quran that has not been tampered with in any way.

I need you to trust me on this. I have extensive experience with Islam. That's all I ask.

I trust you know what you're talking about Free. But the discussion can be had elsewhere. It's DLJs call, so let's take the discussion about Quran translations to a seperate thread, k?

That's all I ask. Wink

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