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29-06-2015, 03:47 PM
This is strange
I'm always confused why African Americans cling to the bible. Last week there was some super crazy bi-polar religious stuff going on regarding same sex marriage and the funeral of Pinckney.

I scanned some comments from news sources around the web and found two opposing positions. Many black people are against gay marriage because of jebus but supportive of Obama. I don't know how Obama does it but he's like a conduit between LGBT progress and religious African Americans. He seems to keep saltwater and freshwater from mixing in the pipes.

Then there's the Confederate flag. Here's a flag supported by many religious nuts as a symbol of slavery (though they deny it) yet African Americans cling to the Bible in which god supports slavery.

Then there's Obama care. If Jesus was alive today he'd be a socialist and supportive of ACA but religious conservatives are against it.



I know right now my head is spinning from a sinus infection, but damn, it's spinning more from all the dizzying craziness of the last few day.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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29-06-2015, 04:15 PM
RE: This is strange
In the Peoples Republic of Maryland the black churches resisted same sex marriage until Obama accepted it. Then it passed by popular vote.

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29-06-2015, 04:16 PM
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That in-group bias tho.
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29-06-2015, 04:18 PM (This post was last modified: 29-06-2015 04:40 PM by Cosmic Discourse.)
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I've spoken about similar topics in mixed company, and even posed the question to a secular psychologist, after a talk he gave. It's my belief (purely speculative) that if churches weren't given certain protections during the civil rights era, there's a strong possibility that black Americans would've developed strategies outside of the churches, and not clung so deeply to the faith of their oppressors.

When I've presented this same argument to family members who lived through those times, they seem to agree that in some instances, this may very well have been the case.

When it comes to discussion of LGBT issues, I take a hard-line stance with my fellow people of color. I remind them how hypocritical it is, to side with any oppressor, when they themselves are not too far removed from blatant hatred and oppression.
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29-06-2015, 04:22 PM
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(29-06-2015 04:16 PM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  That in-group bias tho.

An opportunity to reevaluate their position is less pejorative. But the attachment of African Americans to their churches runs deep indeed.

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29-06-2015, 04:39 PM
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As one of my facebook friends put it: "my facebook looks like war broke out between the confederates and a skittles factory".

Interestingly, when I followed a couple of conversations about god and gays, several grandmas cautiously came out as atheist.

Heck, if it gets under people's skin to the point of coming out, I am all for it.

Bring on the craziness - long as it makes at least some people think.

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29-06-2015, 04:41 PM
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(29-06-2015 04:39 PM)Dom Wrote:  As one of my facebook friends put it: "my facebook looks like war broke out between the confederates and a skittles factory".

Interestingly, when I followed a couple of conversations about god and gays, several grandmas cautiously came out as atheist.

Heck, if it gets under people's skin to the point of coming out, I am all for it.

Bring on the craziness - long as it makes at least some people think.

Hobo

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29-06-2015, 05:21 PM
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https://youtu.be/FBf2J-N_yb8 may help you understand the mind of a black atheist. He asks family and a local pastor about their Bible.

A former coworker mentioned slavery. He has this convoluted idea that while slavery was evil, it's how God brought the slaves to him. (He changes this opinion from time to time.) I'm led to think, through him and others, it's all they had during slavery and therefore is more ingrained in their culture.

But I cannot say I know. I do plan on watching more videos and asking questions.
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29-06-2015, 06:02 PM
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Many African American are poor and marginilised by their own country. They suffer form a failure of their country socio-economic system. God promise them eternal heaven. When you are in such a situation even a mirage become tempting. Its also the source of their community strength and its from their churches that they organised their fight for civil rights.
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29-06-2015, 06:02 PM
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(29-06-2015 04:18 PM)Cosmic Discourse Wrote:  I've spoken about similar topics in mixed company, and even posed the question to a secular psychologist, after a talk he gave. It's my belief (purely speculative) that if churches weren't given certain protections during the civil rights era, there's a strong possibility that black Americans would've developed strategies outside of the churches, and not clung so deeply to the faith of their oppressors.

When I've presented this same argument to family members who lived through those times, they seem to agree that in some instances, this may very well have been the case.

When it comes to discussion of LGBT issues, I take a hard-line stance with my fellow people of color. I remind them how hypocritical it is, to side with any oppressor, when they themselves are not too far removed from blatant hatred and oppression.



But it seems that bible belief trumps everything, especially when it comes to LGBT and sex. They don't consider themselves to be hypocritical because critical thinking doesn't enter the picture.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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