This is the purpose of human life.
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07-08-2013, 06:04 PM (This post was last modified: 07-08-2013 06:07 PM by Hafnof.)
RE: This is the purpose of human life.
It isn't important whether the universe is "real" or is dependent on some other reality. It only matters that it is mind-independent and objective. That's sufficiently "real" for science to work with. There may be deeper realities but until those realities can be hypothesised about and those hypotheses tested they are irrelevant to the method.

Is the universe objective? Well, we tentatively accept that it is. That is the working hypothesis, the bootstrap we use to develop all of the other tentatively accepted hypotheses of science. As with all scientific hypotheses we await evidence to the contrary and we await the better hypotheses that might follow.

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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07-08-2013, 09:02 PM
RE: This is the purpose of human life.
I am completely serious when I say that human life has no objective purpose. Its value is as much as we put on it, just like anything else. I think it is important as a human, but you could say I am biased, being a human and all.

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07-08-2013, 09:26 PM
RE: This is the purpose of human life.
That depends on what you mean by objective. Objectively the function of all life is to preserve itself and reproduce, so an objective purpose exists. Arguably, higher level functions/purposes can be identified. Particular job functions or societal functions such as "scientist", "educator", philosopher" are purposes/ends/objectives/functions in their own right, and are objective. We end up dancing around the is/ought question, though. Objectively there are "is" purposes to our lives, but perhaps there are no "ought" purposes. Perhaps there is no purpose that we can objectively state we "ought" to have. We can only state those purposes which we do have, or do choose to have, or do intend to have... not what we ought to do or ought to choose or ought to intend for ourselves.

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07-08-2013, 09:35 PM
RE: This is the purpose of human life.
Hmm...as a life form (you're going to have to make a leap of faith here, I am not a rock) I would say I cannot be objective objectively. To me objective means without bias. How's that for a mindfuck? Or is it a proper noun, Mindfuck?

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07-08-2013, 09:54 PM
RE: This is the purpose of human life.
To be objective something must be true, not just for one observer but for multiple observers. To be objective it must be a shared truth. We could talk about degrees of objectivity based on the shared or differing biases of different observers, but I think that life's functions meet the minimum requirement for objectivity. Is it necessary for something to be "infinitely objective" in order to meet the criteria of objectivity? If so then the term doesn't appear to be useful as it could by definition never be applied in reality, only in principle.

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08-08-2013, 04:57 PM
RE: This is the purpose of human life.
(07-08-2013 09:02 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  I am completely serious when I say that human life has no objective purpose. Its value is as much as we put on it, just like anything else. I think it is important as a human, but you could say I am biased, being a human and all.
Well, you're going a little too far. We can't say that yet.
However, we can say that human beings need a purpose. We search for a purpose. Therefore, we need a method of searching and testing a purpose. We need to make a science out of it.
It may or may not turn out to be objective. However, my guess is, there will be a general purpose, under which we can find more specific purposes of every person, perhaps even of nations, families, relationships and other forms of human expression.

It would be something very, very general. Such as human inspiration plus human expression. What kind of inspiration? A spontaneous, artistic one. What kind of expression? A practical, harmonious one. These are pretty general guidelines, but very difficult to dispute, I think.
Let's see where it takes humanity. However, we are unable to test anything without leisure. We can not have leisure in capitalism or socialism. Working 8 hours a day and then recovering from it another 8 hours and then 8 hours of sleep is clearly destructive both to inspiration and expression.
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