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09-04-2012, 10:01 AM
Thomas Jefferson was a Christian, but also a thinker.
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Jefferson's view of the Resurrection was not so divine

By Lauren Green

Published April 08, 2012


America's First Amendment guarantees millions of Christians the right this weekend to boldly celebrate their faith's holiest day of the year, Easter, when Scriptures say Jesus rose from the dead. The Resurrection of Jesus Christ is foundational to Christianity.

But ironically, a man and future president who worked to safeguard religious freedom, Thomas Jefferson, could only believe in an earthly Jesus. Jefferson, the third U.S. president and principle author of the Declaration of Independence, created his own version of the Bible, now on exhibit at the Smithsonian's Museum of American History.

Cut and pasted together at his Monticello estate in Virginia, Jefferson's Bible is stripped of the divine. There are no miracles ... and no Resurrection.

"Jefferson was very much a product of thinking of the time, known as the Enlightenment,” said Andrew O'Shaughnessy, director of the International Center for Jefferson Studies at Monticello. “And so he was unwilling to accept anything that couldn't be proved on the basis of evidence. So he was determined to remove what he felt couldn't be substantiated."

Jefferson was also a man of reason, says Dr. Peter Onuf, of the University of Virginia. "Miracles would upset the lawful universe Jefferson believed in. If there was going to be enlightenment and therefore the popularity of self-government, there had to be law."

But the premise of a lawful universe convinces Oxford University Mathematician John Lennox that there must be a divine law giver. Lennox, author of "Gunning for God" and "God's Undertaker,” is one of several scholars who have investigated the Resurrection in the two centuries since Jefferson created his Bible. He sees strong historical proof that it actually happened.

"This idea that miracles violate the laws of nature, that is a false notion. The laws of nature are our description of what we observe regularly to happen .... But God is not a prisoner of those laws. He can feed a new event in, if he wants to. It doesn't break the laws."

The Bible's four Gospels say a crucified Jesus was laid in a tomb, a large stone sealed the entry, and a Roman guard was posted.

“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect.”

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09-04-2012, 12:40 PM
RE: Thomas Jefferson was a Christian, but also a thinker.
(09-04-2012 10:01 AM)germanyt Wrote:  http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/08/jef...latestnews



Jefferson's view of the Resurrection was not so divine

By Lauren Green

Published April 08, 2012


America's First Amendment guarantees millions of Christians the right this weekend to boldly celebrate their faith's holiest day of the year, Easter, when Scriptures say Jesus rose from the dead. The Resurrection of Jesus Christ is foundational to Christianity.

But ironically, a man and future president who worked to safeguard religious freedom, Thomas Jefferson, could only believe in an earthly Jesus. Jefferson, the third U.S. president and principle author of the Declaration of Independence, created his own version of the Bible, now on exhibit at the Smithsonian's Museum of American History.

Cut and pasted together at his Monticello estate in Virginia, Jefferson's Bible is stripped of the divine. There are no miracles ... and no Resurrection.

"Jefferson was very much a product of thinking of the time, known as the Enlightenment,” said Andrew O'Shaughnessy, director of the International Center for Jefferson Studies at Monticello. “And so he was unwilling to accept anything that couldn't be proved on the basis of evidence. So he was determined to remove what he felt couldn't be substantiated."

Jefferson was also a man of reason, says Dr. Peter Onuf, of the University of Virginia. "Miracles would upset the lawful universe Jefferson believed in. If there was going to be enlightenment and therefore the popularity of self-government, there had to be law."

But the premise of a lawful universe convinces Oxford University Mathematician John Lennox that there must be a divine law giver. Lennox, author of "Gunning for God" and "God's Undertaker,” is one of several scholars who have investigated the Resurrection in the two centuries since Jefferson created his Bible. He sees strong historical proof that it actually happened.

"This idea that miracles violate the laws of nature, that is a false notion. The laws of nature are our description of what we observe regularly to happen .... But God is not a prisoner of those laws. He can feed a new event in, if he wants to. It doesn't break the laws."

The Bible's four Gospels say a crucified Jesus was laid in a tomb, a large stone sealed the entry, and a Roman guard was posted.
That's not a Christian, by definition. Jefferson was known to be a Deist.

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09-04-2012, 01:12 PM
RE: Thomas Jefferson was a Christian, but also a thinker.
Well, if you believe that Jesus is the son of God and died for our sins then you are a Christian. Jefferson seems to fit this. Just didn't believe in magic.

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09-04-2012, 07:59 PM
RE: Thomas Jefferson was a Christian, but also a thinker.
Jefferson probably stopped the young United States from becoming a theocracy. He is described as a diest, not a christian.
The big argument is that the US was not founded as a Christian nation and we need to keep pounding away at that point.
If not one day you'll see atheist in reeducation camps as ordered by President Rick Santorum.

The old gods are dead, let's invent some new ones before something really bad happens.
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10-04-2012, 09:08 PM
A thinker, yes. A Christian, no.
And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors. -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites" –Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782


"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
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11-04-2012, 03:57 AM
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I bet Jefferson would be Christopher Hitchens if he knew what we know now.

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For god loved the world so much he tortured his only begotten son, gave him a 3 day nap only to wake up in ultimate awesomeness and called it a sacrifice.
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13-04-2012, 11:25 AM (This post was last modified: 13-04-2012 11:26 AM by Thomas.)
RE: A thinker, yes. A Christian, no.
(10-04-2012 09:08 PM)Chas Wrote:  And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors. -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites" –Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782


"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
-Thomas Jefferson
To note also, Jefferson cut out all references to Jesus as divine in the bible and republished it. I believe we are safe to call him a deist, but not a christian.



(11-04-2012 03:57 AM)Atheist Chiefs fan! Wrote:  I bet Jefferson would be Christopher Hitchens if he knew what we know now.

As would many others of his time.

The old gods are dead, let's invent some new ones before something really bad happens.
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