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23-06-2016, 10:26 AM
RE: Thoughts on BLM
The black-on-black killings are a distraction, and have nothing to do with the BLM.

Their issue is with the systematic harassment and targeting by police of people of color, and poor communities in general. Our country had, for DECADES, denied to black neighborhoods what was given to white neighborhoods (low-interest loans, infrastructure investments, etc.), and then tried to blame the people in those rotten-out areas for the actions of the most desperate among them. The Drug War's origins are clearly rooted in racist policies, openly stated by their proponents, and they have furthered the issues of poverty in those neighborhoods/cities by preventing literally millions of black men and women from having a real chance at life-- affecting their descendants, as well. Nixon made it quite clear in his discussions about ramping up the Drug War to its current militarized state that it would have the effect of disemboweling the civil rights movements among those communities, which he saw as a threat to the particular order he wanted for our nation.

The BLM are concerned with the treatment of their communities by police, the racial profiling (whether it is justified or not, and I say it is not, is irrelevant to this), and the disproportionate penalties applied to members of their community by our legal system while sheltering those who perpetrate these actions. It is not just about the killing; the killing is only the most dangerous/prominent of the issues they face.

Simply put, the BLM people (however misguided or inappropriate) are sick of being treated as second-class citizens. Much of what happens to the black community is invisible to us WASP-types, which includes people of color who did not grow up in the conditions that spawned the BLM, because we sit comfortably in our bubble of privilege, able to ignore it.

And our reaction, in trying to figure out whether or not the actions of the BLM are appropriate, or whether they can be blamed for the things that happen to them, only serves to tell them they are righteous in their cause.

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23-06-2016, 10:45 AM
RE: Thoughts on BLM
(23-06-2016 10:26 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  The black-on-black killings are a distraction, and have nothing to do with the BLM.

Their issue is with the systematic harassment and targeting by police of people of color, and poor communities in general. Our country had, for DECADES, denied to black neighborhoods what was given to white neighborhoods (low-interest loans, infrastructure investments, etc.), and then tried to blame the people in those rotten-out areas for the actions of the most desperate among them. The Drug War's origins are clearly rooted in racist policies, openly stated by their proponents, and they have furthered the issues of poverty in those neighborhoods/cities by preventing literally millions of black men and women from having a real chance at life-- affecting their descendants, as well. Nixon made it quite clear in his discussions about ramping up the Drug War to its current militarized state that it would have the effect of disemboweling the civil rights movements among those communities, which he saw as a threat to the particular order he wanted for our nation.

The BLM are concerned with the treatment of their communities by police, the racial profiling (whether it is justified or not, and I say it is not, is irrelevant to this), and the disproportionate penalties applied to members of their community by our legal system while sheltering those who perpetrate these actions. It is not just about the killing; the killing is only the most dangerous/prominent of the issues they face.

Simply put, the BLM people (however misguided or inappropriate) are sick of being treated as second-class citizens. Much of what happens to the black community is invisible to us WASP-types, which includes people of color who did not grow up in the conditions that spawned the BLM, because we sit comfortably in our bubble of privilege, able to ignore it.

And our reaction, in trying to figure out whether or not the actions of the BLM are appropriate, or whether they can be blamed for the things that happen to them, only serves to tell them they are righteous in their cause.

This is true, but I'm arguing that the BLM movement is making their own plight worse.

By endorsing uncivilized riots and protests, BLM is directly implicated in the hate cycle between the two groups.
BLM is also in danger of having it's agenda picked a part when I had JUST STATED facts that cop killings in cold blood included blacks and latinos. Profiling is done by extremist BLM supporters (did I really just have to say that lable? donut-god damnit) too.

By having these shit fits that destroy property and loot areas, Cops feel all the more vindicated to militarize even MORE. Which is precisely why I think that there's a good hint that this cycle is a perpetuated market by groups like the NRA and I've love to keep researching to prove this. There is every reason to state that BLM is just as much as a distraction as the reality about B-on-B violence and Unjust Homicide ratings by Cops. The invonvinient truth - it's a lot more than Al Gore.

Racism was far more real back in the day, but the whole LBJ "Great Society" thing is just a larger strategy over all. Everyone should know that the Drug War is a fallacy and it's sole purpose for it's continuation makes absolutely no sense unless you start including money. That's why I support legalized weed. So many people would just NOT be in prison with indeterminately fucked records and ruined lives if that were the case. But no, prison owners and corporations don't want that, do that. We're the most profitable prison market on the planet!

People are most likely making gobs of money off of this false flag cycle of hatred. The more BLM protest turn violent against Cops, the more people are likely to buy weapons to "defend themselves". The more Cops gear up and militarize, the more people are likely to buy weapons "before they're taken away". The sales reflect this anomaly and have for over a decade.

All I'm saying is this - we can some how enforce social justice and fairness. We could try. We could have some sort of stupid 25% rule just like with jobs where Cops need to fill quotas of 25% of each ethnic group to some how prove they're fair (bullshit bullshit bullshit... doesn't work for jobs... won't work here, but that's besides the point). But will it really stop the issue? NO
NO! It Wont! Blacks will still have the majority of murders because they'll have a majority in urban populations in extreme poverty. Same with other minorities. Education in these areas will continue to suck a sack of shit. They'll continue to be enclosed in their own bubble of ignorance because they cannot escape their plight, just like the privileged are in a bubble because it hurts to look down. I've seen this. I've been on both sides now. I've gone from making 72k to being homeless with 2 children. I saw reality, and it's not what's on TV.

Martin Luther King had the right vision - "There's more in common with a poor white man and poor black man than there is with a rich white man and poor white man".
He knew what the real issue was. He knew that, in modern times, Racism is a left over stain that's utilized for market control and political gain. That's why a large portion of his movement was NOTHING TO DO With Race. A large part of his movement was Socialists, Communists and Unions! He almost did what was done to FDR! AND, if he truly succeeded, we wouldn't see such disparity and institutionalized racism as we do now. Racism is real, but there's a much bigger problem. In many cases, racism itself is also a distraction from the real issues we face as a society.
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23-06-2016, 11:37 AM (This post was last modified: 23-06-2016 11:48 AM by TrainWreck.)
RE: Thoughts on BLM
(23-06-2016 10:26 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Simply put, the BLM people (however misguided or inappropriate) are sick of being treated as second-class citizens.

Part of the problem is the misguided concept of a "classless society" designated by the racist founders, or who ever. A "classless society" is probably not possible. Obviously, you believe that racists are of a lower class - right?

(23-06-2016 10:45 AM)Einharjar Wrote:  All I'm saying is this - we can some how enforce social justice and fairness.

Partially correct, how are you going to enforce this concept of social justice if the advocates don't write the rules - you cannot expect the racist status quo to write such rules???

Previous generations of blacks could claim to not have the education to write the rules, but things have definitely changed. Lots of blacks have fancy scholastic degrees from fancy colleges - President Obama taught constitutional law back in the day, and then somehow got elected to president of a traditionally racist country/government! All of these black lawyers, MBA's, and sociologists, running around and they can't seem to put their heads together and generate the enforceable social justice doctrine.

Fifty years after Martin Luther King, and the best that educated blacks can do is organize a march across a bridge to tie-up traffic in the expectation that the racist white people will write the legislation to fix everything???

I'm listening to Representative Cummings of this House of Representative's sit-in about gun control, and his rhetoric is "overcoming the struggle." It's the same rhetoric from the civil rights marches of fifty years ago - he doesn't know how to write the legislation and just feeds black people the smae useless rhetoric.

The only thing black people and white trash, like RocketSturgen, can do is cry "oppression" and "racism," when things don't go their way. And all it does is build team spirit - it does not generate a correction to the problem.

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23-06-2016, 12:19 PM
RE: Thoughts on BLM
Trainwreck, I'll put this as nicely as possible, given your nature and attitudes:

SHUT
THE
FUCK
UP
AND
GO
AWAY!


That is all.

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23-06-2016, 01:16 PM
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(23-06-2016 11:37 AM)TrainWreck Wrote:  Fifty years after Martin Luther King, and the best that educated blacks can do is organize a march across a bridge to tie-up traffic in the expectation that the racist white people will write the legislation to fix everything???

This reveals an appalling ignorance of history, current events, and politics.

Every time I think you've plumbed the depths of ignorance, you break out your shovel and dig some more. It's almost as if its a personal challenge of yours ... I don't get it.
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23-06-2016, 02:08 PM
RE: Thoughts on BLM
You understand it very well - you just don't want to accept the responsibility, because you know black people do not trust each other to do community. Organize a police department, and everything else, to serve black people to progress black people. Take what you know about government and fix it.

Racist white people are not going to be able to prohibit you from doing so - they need to know the techniques that you believe you inherently posses to organize better community - do it!

Prove whitey is wrong.

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23-06-2016, 02:29 PM (This post was last modified: 23-06-2016 02:36 PM by WhiskeyDebates.)
RE: Thoughts on BLM
(23-06-2016 02:08 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  You understand it very well - you just don't want to accept the responsibility, because you know black people do not trust each other to do community. Organize a police department, and everything else, to serve black people to progress black people. Take what you know about government and fix it.

Racist white people are not going to be able to prohibit you from doing so - they need to know the techniques that you believe you inherently posses to organize better community - do it!

Prove whitey is wrong.

Is there any reason someone should take advice on organization from a person who can't even organize a successful forum let alone his own life?

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23-06-2016, 02:35 PM
RE: Thoughts on BLM
(23-06-2016 11:37 AM)TrainWreck Wrote:  The only thing black people and white trash, like RocketSturgen, can do is cry "oppression" and "racism," when things don't go their way. And all it does is build team spirit - it does not generate a correction to the problem.

Oh goodie the frequently homeless, jobless, welfare reliant, failure who dropped out of the same collage twice who can't finish a basic outline of his thoughts in under a decade is calling other people "white trash".

He's at least a consistent fool.

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23-06-2016, 03:52 PM
RE: Thoughts on BLM
(23-06-2016 02:08 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  You understand it very well - you just don't want to accept the responsibility, because you know black people do not trust each other to do community. Organize a police department, and everything else, to serve black people to progress black people. Take what you know about government and fix it.

Racist white people are not going to be able to prohibit you from doing so - they need to know the techniques that you believe you inherently posses to organize better community - do it!

Prove whitey is wrong.

lol, none of that answers my point, that you're ignorant of history, current events, and civic life. I'd suggest you educate yourself, but I fear that would be a fool's quest.
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23-06-2016, 04:35 PM
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(23-06-2016 02:35 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  Oh goodie the frequently homeless, jobless, welfare reliant, failure who dropped out of the same collage twice who can't finish a basic outline of his thoughts in under a decade is calling other people "white trash".

He's at least a consistent fool.

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