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14-03-2014, 01:53 PM
RE: Thoughts on Hitler?
(14-03-2014 12:28 PM)Dee Wrote:  Certainly there is no justification for a twisted regime birthed by a twisted man.

Colonel George Washington birthed "American Imperialism" by coloring outside the lines and generating what is locally known as The French and Indian War...

What I'm saying is choose your enemies wisely and if you think Hitler is your enemy...

...then you are a fool.

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14-03-2014, 07:26 PM
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My thing is... The horrific, shameful events of the 20th century are done, in the past... hopefully we've learned something from it all.

Today, in the 21st century, fascism is (largely) non existent as a major political force... Nazism was effectively purged from Europe. The Allies knew that Nazism had to suffer a total defeat, or it would rise again.

6 years of WW2 killed around 60 million people... Today we can wipe outmore than that in a single nuclear exchange.

The Cold War never turned hot because both sides feared annihilation, and neither side genuinely wanted to see the other destroyed. A significant part of Nazism is a belief in what they termed "Race War", that two people's should actively wage war until one comes to dominate. They also believed that the "inferior" people should be destroyed.

So the Nazis not only actively sought the destruction of their opponents, but had no fear of destruction themselves... In a world with nuclear weapons, Nazism would have brought about the destruction of civilization.

Its possible of course that without WW2, we wouldn't have developed nuclear weapons... But its entirely possible that we could have. Humans have never stopped looking for ways to bomb the shit out of each other, and the military potential for atomic energy was known well before WW2. The sheer destruction caused by the war perhaps made presidents and generals think before pushing the button.

My point is, its a good thing that fascism was defeated when it was... If it became a major power in the world today, we might as well just give up, because you can sure as shit count on Nazism to fuck everything up.

... lest we forget.

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14-03-2014, 08:33 PM
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SO anyway Kill Hitler is a masterpiece of a film.

Or Come and See, to give it the title they were actually allowed to use.

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14-03-2014, 08:35 PM
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(14-03-2014 07:26 PM)Paranoidsam Wrote:  My thing is... The horrific, shameful events of the 20th century are done, in the past... hopefully we've learned something from it all.

Today, in the 21st century, fascism is (largely) non existent as a major political force... Nazism was effectively purged from Europe. The Allies knew that Nazism had to suffer a total defeat, or it would rise again.

6 years of WW2 killed around 60 million people... Today we can wipe outmore than that in a single nuclear exchange.

The Cold War never turned hot because both sides feared annihilation, and neither side genuinely wanted to see the other destroyed. A significant part of Nazism is a belief in what they termed "Race War", that two people's should actively wage war until one comes to dominate. They also believed that the "inferior" people should be destroyed.

So the Nazis not only actively sought the destruction of their opponents, but had no fear of destruction themselves... In a world with nuclear weapons, Nazism would have brought about the destruction of civilization.

Its possible of course that without WW2, we wouldn't have developed nuclear weapons... But its entirely possible that we could have. Humans have never stopped looking for ways to bomb the shit out of each other, and the military potential for atomic energy was known well before WW2. The sheer destruction caused by the war perhaps made presidents and generals think before pushing the button.

My point is, its a good thing that fascism was defeated when it was... If it became a major power in the world today, we might as well just give up, because you can sure as shit count on Nazism to fuck everything up.

... lest we forget.

Spain was a fascist nation until 1975.

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14-03-2014, 08:41 PM
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(14-03-2014 08:35 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Spain was a fascist nation until 1975.

And South Korea until at least 1980, and South Africa until 1990...

But who's being pedantic?
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15-03-2014, 07:06 AM
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15-03-2014, 07:34 AM
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(14-03-2014 08:35 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(14-03-2014 07:26 PM)Paranoidsam Wrote:  My thing is... The horrific, shameful events of the 20th century are done, in the past... hopefully we've learned something from it all.

Today, in the 21st century, fascism is (largely) non existent as a major political force... Nazism was effectively purged from Europe. The Allies knew that Nazism had to suffer a total defeat, or it would rise again.

6 years of WW2 killed around 60 million people... Today we can wipe outmore than that in a single nuclear exchange.

The Cold War never turned hot because both sides feared annihilation, and neither side genuinely wanted to see the other destroyed. A significant part of Nazism is a belief in what they termed "Race War", that two people's should actively wage war until one comes to dominate. They also believed that the "inferior" people should be destroyed.

So the Nazis not only actively sought the destruction of their opponents, but had no fear of destruction themselves... In a world with nuclear weapons, Nazism would have brought about the destruction of civilization.

Its possible of course that without WW2, we wouldn't have developed nuclear weapons... But its entirely possible that we could have. Humans have never stopped looking for ways to bomb the shit out of each other, and the military potential for atomic energy was known well before WW2. The sheer destruction caused by the war perhaps made presidents and generals think before pushing the button.

My point is, its a good thing that fascism was defeated when it was... If it became a major power in the world today, we might as well just give up, because you can sure as shit count on Nazism to fuck everything up.

... lest we forget.

Spain was a fascist nation until 1975.

I meant Nazism in particular.

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15-03-2014, 09:16 AM
RE: Thoughts on Hitler?
(15-03-2014 07:34 AM)Paranoidsam Wrote:  
(14-03-2014 08:35 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Spain was a fascist nation until 1975.

I meant Nazism in particular.

There was effectively no difference between Franco's government and Hitler's. Nazi germany just started a pogrom against the undesirables in their country (Jews. homosexuals, communists, etc) and were expansionist. Had the Nazis stayed within their own border (even the expanded border they had before invading Poland) who knows how long the rest of the world would have sat and watched that happen.

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15-03-2014, 10:55 AM
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(15-03-2014 09:16 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(15-03-2014 07:34 AM)Paranoidsam Wrote:  I meant Nazism in particular.

There was effectively no difference between Franco's government and Hitler's. Nazi germany just started a pogrom against the undesirables in their country (Jews. homosexuals, communists, etc) and were expansionist. Had the Nazis stayed within their own border (even the expanded border they had before invading Poland) who knows how long the rest of the world would have sat and watched that happen.

Not exactly. Nazism is a very extreme form of fascism, its difficult to compare it with other fascist regimes.

Fascism in a nutshell is basically the belief that a nation must be completely and totally unified.

The Nazis extended that into racist policies, and a warped belief in a form of social Darwinism.

Nazism is in many ways a religion... They rejected Einstein's theories of Relativity, simply because he was Jewish. Instead they adopted something called "Ice Theory", a completely bullshit idea of the Solar System forming from a melting block of ice... they chose it simply because the man who dreamed it up was ethnically German.

Also the belief in a "master race" and the obsessive search for religious relics, as well as Himmler's attempt to turn Germany into a neo-Pagan fairytale.

But, it doesn't really matter. My point is that what civilization learned from fighting WW2 is hugely valuable... if we hadn't learned those lessons then, we (as a civilization) could so easily make those mistakes now, with even more deadly and destructive results.

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15-03-2014, 03:16 PM
RE: Thoughts on Hitler?
Just a suggestion. Look up the nature of the current controllers of most of the Ukraine if you think fascism is dead.

Hitler is a complex and unusual character. He rose to power on the backs of crazed ex military people and a populace that was hindered by the Versailles treaty. Then capitalists who found him a useful tool for making money (including american capitalists) supported him. Then feeling his early success he started going way overboard. He way over reached and that was his downfall, a well deserved one as seen by a man with a very germanic last name.

You all should also learn a bit of history. Some 20 million Russians died in world war 2. It could be and maybe should be argued that Stalin's handling of the army and the populace actually killed more people than the Nazi's and their death camps.

It is also obvious that Russia did more to win world war 2 that all other allies combined. Read "Stalingrad" by Anthony Beevor, the single most important battle in world war 2. It makes D-Day look like a walk in the park.
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