Thoughts on Pantheism?
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05-02-2013, 07:22 PM
RE: Thoughts on Pantheism?
Spinoza had an interesting take.

As it was in the beginning is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.
And I will show you something different from either
Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
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06-02-2013, 03:18 AM
RE: Thoughts on Pantheism?
(05-02-2013 07:13 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  Unsupported in that post, yes, but not uninformed. After putting some thought into it, the inferences to liberalism I got were in a talk he did with Lawrence Krauss and in a debate with Wendy Wright. Also, he has included metaphors relating natural selection to capitalism with the obvious implication being that capitalism is hostile and unfair.

You might well disagree with me on that point and that's perfectly fine but, casting baseless assertions about my level knowledge is unnecessary. Wink
Anyone who thinks Barack Obama is a liberal is pretty uninformed.
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06-02-2013, 08:05 AM
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(05-02-2013 07:13 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  Unsupported in that post, yes, but not uninformed. After putting some thought into it, the inferences to liberalism I got were in a talk he did with Lawrence Krauss and in a debate with Wendy Wright. Also, he has included metaphors relating natural selection to capitalism with the obvious implication being that capitalism is hostile and unfair.

You might well disagree with me on that point and that's perfectly fine but, casting baseless assertions about my level knowledge is unnecessary. Wink
I apologize for using 'uninformed', that was a poor choice of words.

However, he is not overtly political except about secularism, so I'm not sure what it is you object to.

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06-02-2013, 10:57 AM
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"Anyone who thinks Barack Obama is a liberal is pretty uninformed."

Well, he's certainly not a liberal in the true sense of the word, which is why I said modern liberal. And given the the most right leaning member of the right wing of the US political monstrosity are on the lest of true liberal ideals, Obama is indeed a big government, socialist leaning, modern liberal. The fact that he murders innocents with flying robots doesn't make him a conservative.
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06-02-2013, 11:02 AM
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No worries Chas. You're right that Dawkins is not politically active in general. My remark was somewhat tongue in cheek but from where I sit, being an anarchist, pretty much everyone is wrong when they talk politics so perhaps the audience for my pun wasn't the correct one. Unsure

Being an anarchist in a sea of statists is kinda like being an atheist at the Vatican...
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06-02-2013, 11:24 AM
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Does this Pantheism make my butt look big?


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06-02-2013, 11:55 AM
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Not pantheism.... Punschkrapfen
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06-02-2013, 12:57 PM
RE: Thoughts on Pantheism?
My views on pantheism are more philosophical in nature really.

I am aware of myself... yet I am also aware that I live on this planet and share it with other life. This planet and all its life are in this solar system/galaxy/universe.

I believe I am part of something much bigger than myself, this doesnt mean that that I believe that the universe is "god" although I suppose I have no other label to attribute to myself for my beliefs Consider

For no matter how much I use these symbols, to describe symptoms of my existence.
You are your own emphasis.
So I say nothing.

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27-09-2015, 07:44 PM
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(04-02-2013 09:38 PM)DerekS Wrote:  Personally I find it to be pointless. After all, if everything is God, then who really cares about the concept of God? I know Dawkins calls it sexed up atheism, but I was simply curious to hear other people's thoughs on it.

So yeah, lets hear it

I know a pantheist and he really plays with the attribute of omnipresence to make his case that God has to be the Universe. However, this still renders Christianity false. He's practically an atheist but I don't think he knows it yet. He doesn't believe in anything supernatural so it's sort of meaningless.

My current project is explaining why many things in this world are irrelevant to me.
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