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19-06-2012, 07:23 PM
RE: Thoughts on these points?
(18-06-2012 10:02 PM)StevenAllan Wrote:  Atheism is formally irrational on these counts:
1. An acceptance of empiricism even though it was rejected by epistemologists as a logical contradiction decades ago. To accept a logical contradiction as true is the formal definition of irrationality.
2. Atheists rely on the Fallacy of Incredulity. An argument relying on a logical fallacy is automatically false. Thus the atheist is informally irrational.
3. Atheists have logically inconsistent beliefs by showing they accept similarly or less evidenced propositions than those they disbelieve. Thus the atheist is irrational in the sense of being intellectually dishonest.
4. The Atheist has no rational basis for their objections to theistic belief.
Do any/all of these make sense?
Thank you.
Short answer: No.

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19-06-2012, 07:26 PM (This post was last modified: 19-06-2012 07:56 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Thoughts on these points?
(18-06-2012 10:02 PM)StevenAllan Wrote:  Atheism is formally irrational on these counts:
1. An acceptance of empiricism even though it was rejected by epistemologists as a logical contradiction decades ago. To accept a logical contradiction as true is the formal definition of irrationality.
2. Atheists rely on the Fallacy of Incredulity. An argument relying on a logical fallacy is automatically false. Thus the atheist is informally irrational.
3. Atheists have logically inconsistent beliefs by showing they accept similarly or less evidenced propositions than those they disbelieve. Thus the atheist is irrational in the sense of being intellectually dishonest.
4. The Atheist has no rational basis for their objections to theistic belief.
Do any/all of these make sense?
Thank you.


No, nope, nada, nein.

1. As stated above you need to define what sort of empiricism you're talking about. I can think of three, without even trying. Even with the first, most obvious, Theism fails.

2. Actually the theist is the one who runs this risk, and every single popular one, (why are they all guys ?) ultimately uses this argument, and fails, precisely because of it. It's also the "god of the gaps". Inevitably that's all they got left in the end.

3. Who's the hall monitor ? You ? You elect yourself ? Was gonna give ya the benefit of the doubt, but being tol' I am dishonest ain't gonna git ya a beer.

4. If that's all ya got, ya just moved in, an ya don' know shit.

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Those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music - Friedrich Nietzsche
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