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16-11-2015, 09:08 PM
RE: Thousands file resignation letters from the LDS Church
(16-11-2015 09:01 PM)Banjo Wrote:  It's Morons, right? Not Mormons?

Well, there is their angel Moroni. Just sayin'. Drinking Beverage

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16-11-2015, 09:11 PM
RE: Thousands file resignation letters from the LDS Church
(16-11-2015 09:08 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(16-11-2015 09:01 PM)Banjo Wrote:  It's Morons, right? Not Mormons?

Well, there is their angel Moroni. Just sayin'. Drinking Beverage

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16-11-2015, 09:23 PM
RE: Thousands file resignation letters from the LDS Church
(16-11-2015 07:32 PM)Alla Wrote:  We(LDS) have a doctrine about marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Homosexuality is not a sin according to LDS doctrine but practice of homosexuality is grievous sin. Those who practice homosexuality openly reject Church's doctrine. They become apostates.
When a child is baptized he or she makes a covenant with God. He or she will learn that practice of homosexuality is wrong according to LDS Doctrine. He or she will learn what is right according LDS Doctrine - marriage is between a man and a woman.
So, this child will learn one thing at home and opposite thing in the Church. Child will be confused about what is right and what is wrong.
It is better for child that he or she will grow at home where parents(gay parents) will teach him/her about right and wrong. When child becomes an adult he/she can decide for himself/herself what is morally right and what is morally wrong. If he or she decides to accept Church's Doctrine nobody has to stop him/her to make this moral choice. If he/she decides that Church's Doctrine is wrong, nobody has to stop him/her to make this moral choice.

Children doesn't have to be put in the situation when they become confused and they have to choose between the Church and their parents. It is not right. Love and peace at home is very important. But let parents(gay parents) to teach their children to the best of their ability about wrong and right. Children doesn't have to accept parent's moral choices when they become adults.

One more thing. It is better not to make a covenant with God than to make a covenant with God and then leave Church.
Children of gay parents most likely will leave Church after baptism. They most likely will choose their parents' believes and not Church's believes.
To prevent this it is better to wait when they are adults.
These children can always come to Church, they can have blessings and help. They can participate in activities. Their gay parents also may have any help and support.
We don't hate gay people. We just don't believe in gay marriage. There is a reason why God will never sanctify gay marriage and I was explaining this reason in one of the threads on this forum.

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16-11-2015, 09:57 PM
RE: Thousands file resignation letters from the LDS Church
Credit where it's due... at least they're not throwing homosexuals from the rooves of high buildings.

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16-11-2015, 10:42 PM
RE: Thousands file resignation letters from the LDS Church
(16-11-2015 07:36 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(16-11-2015 07:32 PM)Alla Wrote:  When a child is baptized he or she makes a covenant with God.

What age does this typically happen? Does the LDS consider these children compos mentis capable of entering into a contract or covenant?

P.S. Your response is considered and deliberative.

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and thank you for making me look at the dictionary and learn new word "deliberative" Smile

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17-11-2015, 12:04 AM
RE: Thousands file resignation letters from the LDS Church
(16-11-2015 08:44 PM)Alla Wrote:  ALLA
Yes. In 1995 Prophets and Apostles wrote a Proclamation to the World:

Doesn’t it make you wonder why it took the LDS until 1995 to make this proclamation?

(16-11-2015 08:44 PM)‘Alla Wrote:  About OT. Marriage is between a man and woman. But sometimes it is between one man and more than one woman. They still have potential to procreate(multiply and replenish) procreate. A man and a man can not procreate. A woman and a woman can not procreate.

So as long procreation happens it’s all good then?

(16-11-2015 08:44 PM)‘Alla Wrote:  ALLA
No, doctrines of God are eternal and they never change. We still believe that God can sanctify plural marriage. But we can not practice it now. It is illegal.
Doctrine never changes but practice of doctrine can be stopped.

and yet "in 1904 when church president Joseph F. Smith disavowed polygamy before Congress and issued a “Second Manifesto”, calling for all plural marriages in the church to cease.” So no, the LDS does not “still believe” in plural marriage.

also

"Meanwhile, the LDS Church adopted a policy of excommunicating members found practicing polygamy, and today actively seeks to distance itself from fundamentalist groups that continue the practice. On its web site, the church states that “the standard doctrine of the church is monogamy” and that polygamy was a temporary exception to the rule."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_polygamy

So you see Alla, the doctrine of polygamy, once supported and accepted by the LDS church and thought to be a doctrine from God was terminated by the elders and disavowed. The LDS broke from God’s doctrine according to what you are telling me. How do you think your God will view this blasphemy?

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17-11-2015, 12:10 AM
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(16-11-2015 07:32 PM)Alla Wrote:  We(LDS) have a doctrine about marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman.
The laws of most societies disagree with you.
If you live within a governed country where marriage of same sex couples is legal then you are incorrect to think that marriage is between a man and a woman. As a club however, you are welcome to have your some of your people dress up in special uniforms, perform special rituals and preside over whatever it is that you want to call a "marriage". If it meets the requirement under law then it might actually be a real marriage. If your little club don't want to perform your silly rituals for same sex marriages then that is your perogative. Goverment don't really care about your silly rituals, marriages are recognised under law and your silly rituals are irrelevant to the marriage. So of course the government aren't going to force your club to perform your silly rituals for same sex marriages.

(16-11-2015 07:32 PM)Alla Wrote:  Homosexuality is not a sin according to LDS doctrine but practice of homosexuality is grievous sin.
Your concept of sin is irrelevant, it has no bearing on the law.
(16-11-2015 07:32 PM)Alla Wrote:  Those who practice homosexuality openly reject Church's doctrine.
So what? Who cares if people reject your club's silly doctrine?
(16-11-2015 07:32 PM)Alla Wrote:  When a child is baptized he or she makes a covenant with God.
No, not really. Performing silly rituals does not make a covenant with god. It only fulfills certain made up customs of your little club.
(16-11-2015 07:32 PM)Alla Wrote:  He or she will learn that practice of homosexuality is wrong according to LDS Doctrine.
Who cares what your club define as wrong? Wrong is just a label.
(16-11-2015 07:32 PM)Alla Wrote:  He or she will learn what is right according LDS Doctrine
Again, who cares about your club's made up rights and wrongs? What relevance do these have on real life?
(16-11-2015 07:32 PM)Alla Wrote:  So, this child will learn one thing at home and opposite thing in the Church. Child will be confused about what is right and what is wrong.
If parents are parenting correctly they won't be telling their kids what is right or what is wrong. They will be teaching their kids how to think for themselves, how to navigate life making their own decisions and bearing the fruit of their own actions.
(16-11-2015 07:32 PM)Alla Wrote:  It is better for child that he or she will grow at home where parents(gay parents) will teach him/her about right and wrong.
No, it's better when the child is taught how to think for themselves, how to worry about their own decisions and own future and not worry about judging others.
(16-11-2015 07:32 PM)Alla Wrote:  When child becomes an adult he/she can decide for himself/herself what is morally right and what is morally wrong.
Or come to the conclusion that "morality" is irrelevant.
(16-11-2015 07:32 PM)Alla Wrote:  If he or she decides to accept Church's Doctrine nobody has to stop him/her to make this moral choice.
Would be better if they learn to think for themselves rather than to delegate their own thinking to the Church.
(16-11-2015 07:32 PM)Alla Wrote:  Children doesn't have to be put in the situation when they become confused and they have to choose between the Church and their parents.
But that is what your church is doing. They are pitting the child against the parents. They want the child to denounce their parents marriage.
(16-11-2015 07:32 PM)Alla Wrote:  We don't hate gay people. We just don't believe in gay marriage.
Marriage isn't a belief system.
Marriage has documented restrictions and benefits under law. Most countries laws accept same sex marriage. If you don't believe in gay marriage then you are deluded. All you need to do is look at the documented law to find out if it is true or not.
(16-11-2015 07:32 PM)Alla Wrote:  There is a reason why God will never sanctify gay marriage
There is no god, and if there is a god it is so shy it never talks or shows itself, who knows what it will or wont do? Who cares what the god wants, the god is irrelevant. Us people need to learn to think for ourselves.
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17-11-2015, 10:51 AM
RE: Thousands file resignation letters from the LDS Church
(16-11-2015 09:08 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(16-11-2015 09:01 PM)Banjo Wrote:  It's Morons, right? Not Mormons?

Well, there is their angel Moroni. Just sayin'. Drinking Beverage

Isn't Moroni Latin for "more than one Moron?"

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17-11-2015, 11:28 AM
RE: Thousands file resignation letters from the LDS Church
The problem with the LDS church is that it's not just a club that people can be quit of.

It's not just that they have weird (and insulting, insensitive, counterfactual, antihumanist) beliefs and actions.

It's not just that they want to be let be to practice their honest and earnest faith (however wrong it may be) in the privacy of their families and faith-organizations. For the most part we'd be fine with that. There might be some gray-area arguments about treatment of children, but with the core principles of separation of church and state and freedom of conscience respected, and with no vigilante hate crimes, we can have an uneasy coexistence.

The problem is (and we've known this since Prop 8 at the latest) that they want to impose the rules of their faith upon the rest of us. To enforce them upon us with the weight of the government, regardless of whether we believe or not, regardless of whether they can convince us or not, regardless of whether there is the least secular purpose to be advanced or not. The same with the Catholic church, and the Southern Baptists, and others. And of course if the shoe were on the other foot, we would never hear the end of whines and complaints about their violated freedoms.

There is a deep streak of sociopathy in this type of behavior. To see great numbers of people defect from the church is a very hopeful sign. It suggests that such organizations as would seek to dominate and subdue the rest of us will tend to splinter and disintegrate under the weight of their own self-scouring hatreds. That kind of self-correcting, self-limiting mechanism would be exactly the sort of thing that the rest of us need to survive the tyrannies of the religion.
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17-11-2015, 11:42 AM
RE: Thousands file resignation letters from the LDS Church
(17-11-2015 10:51 AM)Minimalist Wrote:  
(16-11-2015 09:08 PM)Chas Wrote:  Well, there is their angel Moroni. Just sayin'. Drinking Beverage

Isn't Moroni Latin for "more than one Moron?"

I thought it was Greek, but no matter. Tongue

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