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20-01-2015, 11:33 AM
Threat of Islam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxdoztoBEuc

(I tried to embed this video in my post, but don't know how).

It is obvious that the ultimate goal of Islam (not just radical Islam) is to govern the entire world.

I think the dynamic behind this desire goes much further than the simple desire to rule.

The dynamic behind this desire is that Muslims are living out a fantasy, based upon the ancient texts of the Bible and the Koran. They see themselves as the "true" elect of God (Allah) who were tricked out of their birthright and blessing by the Jews.

They believe that they--and only they--have the "true" morality and are destined to govern the entire world. To realize this goal, the must either convert, enslave, or kill all others. They see it as their God-given responsibility to crush all other political systems (especially any form of democracy) and to institute Shariah Law, on a global scale.

This is a very dangerous and threatening ideology and I really hope, but am not expecting, President Obama in his state of the union speech, to get his head out of his ass, quit acting like George Bush, and address the threat Islam poses to world peace, realistically.

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20-01-2015, 04:18 PM
RE: Threat of Islam
(20-01-2015 11:33 AM)666wannabe Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxdoztoBEuc

(I tried to embed this video in my post, but don't know how).

It is obvious that the ultimate goal of Islam (not just radical Islam) is to govern the entire world.

I think the dynamic behind this desire goes much further than the simple desire to rule.

The dynamic behind this desire is that Muslims are living out a fantasy, based upon the ancient texts of the Bible and the Koran. They see themselves as the "true" elect of God (Allah) who were tricked out of their birthright and blessing by the Jews.

They believe that they--and only they--have the "true" morality and are destined to govern the entire world. To realize this goal, the must either convert, enslave, or kill all others. They see it as their God-given responsibility to crush all other political systems (especially any form of democracy) and to institute Shariah Law, on a global scale.

This is a very dangerous and threatening ideology and I really hope, but am not expecting, President Obama in his state of the union speech, to get his head out of his ass, quit acting like George Bush, and address the threat Islam poses to world peace, realistically.

Grand, you made a bunch of claims. Can you substantiate them, or should I just write them off as overly generalizing and slightly paranoid?
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20-01-2015, 04:28 PM
RE: Threat of Islam
ISLAM IS PEACE AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE YOU ARE A RACIST RAPE APOLOGIST HOMOPHOBIC SEXIST NAZI BABY KILLING TRANSPHOBIC COMMUNIST RETARD CREATARD REPULITARD KKK WIZARD SHITLORD.

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20-01-2015, 08:00 PM
RE: Threat of Islam
All these people upset with Obama, what do you expect him to do? We've had drones flying through sovereign countries firing missiles at random people since the day he took office. He's overseeing the largest suspension of civil liberties in the county's history, including the suspension of habeus by Lincoln and the internment of the Japanese by FDR, and he made a list of Americans he feels he can kill without a trial - and then he killed someone on that list. So, what else does he need to do? Make a total ass out of himself, ala Bobby Jindal?

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20-01-2015, 08:05 PM
RE: Threat of Islam
(20-01-2015 04:28 PM)Cetaceaphile Wrote:  ISLAM IS PEACE AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE YOU ARE A RACIST RAPE APOLOGIST HOMOPHOBIC SEXIST NAZI BABY KILLING TRANSPHOBIC COMMUNIST RETARD CREATARD REPULITARD KKK WIZARD SHITLORD.

Well, that wasn't very politically correct.

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20-01-2015, 08:09 PM
RE: Threat of Islam
(20-01-2015 04:18 PM)Gaest Wrote:  
(20-01-2015 11:33 AM)666wannabe Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxdoztoBEuc

(I tried to embed this video in my post, but don't know how).

It is obvious that the ultimate goal of Islam (not just radical Islam) is to govern the entire world.

I think the dynamic behind this desire goes much further than the simple desire to rule.

The dynamic behind this desire is that Muslims are living out a fantasy, based upon the ancient texts of the Bible and the Koran. They see themselves as the "true" elect of God (Allah) who were tricked out of their birthright and blessing by the Jews.

They believe that they--and only they--have the "true" morality and are destined to govern the entire world. To realize this goal, the must either convert, enslave, or kill all others. They see it as their God-given responsibility to crush all other political systems (especially any form of democracy) and to institute Shariah Law, on a global scale.

This is a very dangerous and threatening ideology and I really hope, but am not expecting, President Obama in his state of the union speech, to get his head out of his ass, quit acting like George Bush, and address the threat Islam poses to world peace, realistically.

Grand, you made a bunch of claims. Can you substantiate them, or should I just write them off as overly generalizing and slightly paranoid?

Maybe.

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20-01-2015, 08:56 PM
RE: Threat of Islam
Cetaceaphile: You seem to be conflating Muslim steriotypes.

(20-01-2015 04:28 PM)Cetaceaphile Wrote:  [SNIP!] RAPE APOLOGIST HOMOPHOBIC SEXIST NAZI [SNIP!] TRANSPHOBIC [SNIP!] CREATARD [SNIP]

The Fundamentalists would view them as compliments. (I'm not sure how much of a joke that is :/ )

Soulless mutants of muscle and intent. There are billions of us; hardy, smart and dangerous. Shaped by millions of years of death. We are the definitive alpha predator. We build monsters of fire and stone. We bottled the sun. We nailed our god to a stick.

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20-01-2015, 09:45 PM
RE: Threat of Islam
(20-01-2015 08:00 PM)BnW Wrote:  All these people upset with Obama, what do you expect him to do? We've had drones flying through sovereign countries firing missiles at random people since the day he took office.

Random people? No.

Quote:He's overseeing the largest suspension of civil liberties in the county's history, including the suspension of habeus by Lincoln and the internment of the Japanese by FDR,

He inherited it and is trying to control it.

Quote:and he made a list of Americans he feels he can kill without a trial -

You got a copy of that list we can see?

Quote:and then he killed someone on that list.

Who? When?

Quote:So, what else does he need to do? Make a total ass out of himself, ala Bobby Jindal?

That's a ridiculous comparison.

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21-01-2015, 12:04 AM
RE: Threat of Islam
Quote:Who? When?

There was that American in Yemen that the US killed.

But he joined what's their faces, Al Qaeda, so ya know. But of course all the media headlines read "US kills American without due trial!!!11!!". Fuuuck off. If he joined some Islamic extremist terrorist group he deserves to be killed, no point wasting tax paying dollar and putting special forces lives at risk to try and capture his ass just so some hippy cunts can feel good about "due process". This is fucking terrorism, not your fucking car being stolen.

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21-01-2015, 12:42 AM (This post was last modified: 21-01-2015 12:47 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Threat of Islam
(21-01-2015 12:04 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  
Quote:Who? When?

There was that American in Yemen that the US killed.

But he joined what's their faces, Al Qaeda, so ya know. But of course all the media headlines read "US kills American without due trial!!!11!!". Fuuuck off. If he joined some Islamic extremist terrorist group he deserves to be killed, no point wasting tax paying dollar and putting special forces lives at risk to try and capture his ass just so some hippy cunts can feel good about "due process". This is fucking terrorism, not your fucking car being stolen.

Anwar al-Awlaki and his son Abdulrahman al-Awlaki

On September 30, 2011, in northern Yemen's al-Jawf province, two Predator drones, based out of a secret CIA Base in Saudi Arabia, fired Hellfire missiles at a vehicle containing al-Awlaki and three other suspected al-Qaeda members. A witness said the group had stopped to eat breakfast while traveling to Ma'rib Governorate. A Predator drone was spotted by the group, which then tried to flee in the vehicle. According to US sources, the strike was carried out by Joint Special Operations Command, under the direction of the CIA. US President Barack Obama said:

The death of Awlaki is a major blow to Al-Qaeda's most active operational affiliate. He took the lead in planning and directing efforts to murder innocent Americans … and he repeatedly called on individuals in the United States and around the globe to kill innocent men, women and children to advance a murderous agenda. [The strike] is further proof that Al-Qaeda and its affiliates will find no safe haven anywhere in the world.

Yemen's Defense Ministry announced that al-Awlaki had been killed in the country. Also killed was Samir Khan, an American born in Saudi Arabia, who was editor of al-Qaeda's English-language web magazine, Inspire.

Journalist and author Glenn Greenwald argued on Salon.com that killing al-Awlaki violated his First Amendment right of free speech and that doing so outside of a criminal proceeding violated the Constitution's due process clause, specifically citing the 1969 Supreme Court decision in Brandenburg v. Ohio that "the constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force."[248] He mentioned doubt among Yemeni experts about al-Awlaki's role in al-Qaeda, and called US government accusations against him unverified and lacking in evidence.

Another American critic of the War on Terror, Paul Craig Roberts, wrote that al-Awlaki gave "sermons critical of Washington’s indiscriminate assaults on Muslim peoples" who "told Muslims that they did not have to passively accept American aggression". He called the operation "The Day America Died" as he asserted that the US lacked evidence that either al-Awlaki or Khan were real threats or al-Qaeda operatives.

In a letter dated May 22, 2013, to the chairman of the US Senate Judiciary committee, Patrick J. Leahy, US attorney general Eric Holder wrote that

high-level U.S. government officials [...] concluded that al-Aulaqi posed a continuing and imminent threat of violent attack against the United States. Before carrying out the operation that killed al-Aulaqi, senior officials also determined, based on a careful evaluation of the circumstances at the time, that it was not feasible to capture al-Aulaqi. In addition, senior officials determined that the operation would be conducted consistent with applicable law of war principles, including the cardinal principles of (1) necessity - the requirement that the target have definite military value; (2) distinction - the idea that only military objectives may be intentionally targeted and that civilians are protected from being intentionally targeted; (3) proportionality - the notion that the anticipated collateral damage of an action cannot be excessive in relation to the anticipated concrete and direct military advantage; and (4) humanity - a principle that requires us to use weapons that will not inflict unnecessary suffering. The operation was also undertaken consistent with Yemeni sovereignty. [… ] The decision to target Anwar al-Aulaqi was lawful, it was considered, and it was just.

On April 21, 2014 the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeal ruled that the Obama administration must release documents justifying its drone-killings of foreigners and Americans including Anwar al-Awlaki. In June 2014, the United States Department of Justice disclosed a 2010 memorandum written by the acting head of the department, David Barron. The memo stated that Anwar al-Awlaki was a significant threat with an infeasible probability of capture, in addition to his actions of going overseas to join al-Qaeda. Barron therefore justified the killing as legal, as “the Constitution would not require the government to provide further process”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki#Death

Anwar al-Awlaki and Egyptian-born Gihan Mohsen Baker had a son, Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki, born August 26, 1995 in Denver, who was an American citizen. Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was killed at the age of 16 in an American drone strike on October 14, 2011, in Yemen. Nine other people were killed in the same CIA-initiated attack, including a 17-year-old cousin of Abdulrahman. According to his relatives, shortly before his father's death, Abdulrahman had left the family home in Sana'a and travelled to Shabwa in search of his father who was believed to be in hiding in that area (though he was actually hundreds of miles away at the time). Abdulrahman was sitting in an open-air cafe in Shabwa when killed, along with others also in the café. According to US officials, the killing of Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was a mistake; the intended target was an Egyptian, Ibrahim al-Banna, who was not at the targeted location at the time of the attack. Human rights groups have raised questions as to why an American citizen was killed by the US in a country with which the United States is not officially at war in. Abdulrahman al-Awlaki had no connection to terrorism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki#Family


So remember kids, don't leave the United States and expect your citizenship to protect you from being executed by drone strike.

Were they dangerous? The government says so, but the information is classified, so we'll just have to trust that they made the right call. So without adequate oversight or disclosure, the government can, and indeed has, executed a citizen of the United States in foreign territory. Allowing the executive branch and the CIA to interpret the Constitution for themselves, justified with evidence they claim to have but won't show, and to then use that to execute a citizen without the due process of trail by jury which is their Constitutionally guaranteed right? Are you comfortable with them having that kind of leeway? Consider

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