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22-07-2016, 09:27 PM
Tim Kaine VP
I just found out and started reading about the guy, never heard of him but that’s on me.

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/22/12244762/ti...nouncement

Any one from Virginia know more about Kaine?

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22-07-2016, 09:39 PM
RE: Tim Kaine VP
So far I think he was a smart pick for VP.

“10 things you should know about Tim Kaine, Hillary Clinton’s new running mate

By Aaron Blake July 22 at 8:15 PM

Below are 10 things you should know about him.

1) He’s been a governor, a senator and a national party chair

Kaine has held three big-time political positions: Governor of Virginia from 2006 to 2010, DNC chair from 2009 to 2011, and U.S. senator from 2013 to today.

And his political rise has been a methodical one, going from city council (1995-98) to mayor of Richmond (1998-2001) to lieutenant governor (2002-2006) to governor. Prior to entering politics, he was a clerk in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit and then a lecturer at the University of Richmond law school.

2) He was a Christian missionary, and speaks Spanish

In the 1980s, he took a break from his studies at Harvard law school to spend time as a Christian missionary in Honduras. While there, he taught carpentry and welding.

And in part thanks to his time in Honduras, Kaine is a fluent Spanish speaker. After winning his Senate seat in 2012, he became the first U.S. senator to deliver a speech from the Senate floor in Spanish.

It’s hard to overstate how big an asset each of these are for Kaine, politically. In the veepstakes, one of his opponents was Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro, who is of Mexican-American descent and grew up in Texas but doesn’t speak Spanish. And for Democrats, having a Christian missionary on the ticket could help appeal to more religious voters who tend to lean republican.

“My faith is central to everything I do,” Kaine told Patch. “My faith position is a Good Samaritan position of trying to watch out for the other person.”

3) His eyebrow is/was a meme

Kaine’s first big moment on the national stage was his Democratic response to George W. Bush’s 2006 State of the Union address.

The appearance was perhaps best-remembered for this fresh-faced governor’s constantly arching left eyebrow. It became a meme. “Tim Kaine Eyebrow Watch: Still Arched, Weeks Later,” snarked Wonkette. Below, Cenk Uygur does a good job explaining the whole thing. (It was once even rumored to hurt his chances at becoming Barack Obama’s vice president in 2008!)


4) He's known as a nice guy's nice guy

The headline of a recent Washington Post story about Kaine's potential VP prospects is titled, "What’s a nice guy like Sen. Tim Kaine doing in a campaign like this?"

“The boy is cleaner than the board of health,” Dave “Mudcat” Saunders, the eminently quotable Democratic political consultant told our Paul Schwartzmann. “If it’s one thing Hillary needs, it’s clean.”

And Kaine's amiable style has served him well. His approval rating in polls has generally been significantly higher than his disapproval rating, and he was elected senator in 2012 by a six-point margin over Republican George Allen -- a fellow former governor and former senator who was trying to reclaim his seat.

But Kaine's nice-guy demeanor has also raised questions about whether he would be able to play the traditional role of a running mate: attack dog.

5) He hasn't always been a Hillary backer

In fact, he was one of Barack Obama's earliest endorsers in the 2008 campaign, offering his support as early as February 2007.

Never one to wait around, his endorsement of Hillary Clinton in the 2016 campaign also came very early -- in May 2014.


6) He was said to be favored by Bill Clinton

As the New York Times's Amy Chozick and Jonathan Martin reported on Wednesday:

As Hillary Clinton prepares to make her choice for a vice-presidential candidate, Bill Clinton has privately expressed his support for Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia, according to three Democrats briefed on the conversations with the former president this week.

Mr. Clinton believes that Mr. Kaine, 58, a former governor and member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, has the domestic and national security résumé that both appeals to voters and makes him prepared for the presidency.

7) He married into a political family

His wife, Anne Holton, is the daughter of former Virginia governor A. Linwood Holton Jr. Holton, who met Kaine at Harvard, is the second daughter of a Virginia governor to later become the first lady of a Virginia governor. The first was Thomas Jefferson's daughter, Martha Jefferson Randolph.)

Anne Holton is a former juvenile court judge who currently serves as the Virginia secretary of education, a position she was appointed to by Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D) in 2014.

8) He is a Catholic -- and personally pro-life

But from a public policy standpoint, he has a pro-choice record. He explained it last month on "Meet the Press."

"I would say people use labels all the time, but I'm kind of a traditional Catholic: Personally I'm opposed to abortion, and personally I'm opposed to the death penalty," he said, adding: "I deeply believe -- and not just as a matter of politics, but even as a matter of morality -- that matters about reproduction and intimacy and relationships and contraception are in the personal realm. They're moral decisions for individuals to make for themselves. And the last thing we need is government intruding into those personal decisions."

9) He's musical

He likes jazz, sings and plays the harmonica.

His band is called the Jugbusters. (Warning: They rock pretty hard.)

10) He's no Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren

Kaine launched his career in what was then a red state, and he's crafted a relatively moderate persona. He's certainly not the kind of pick that will get liberals excited in the way that Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders -- or even Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) -- would have.

But Mother Jones wrote recently that, "Behind the Virginia senator's moderate reputation is a history of quiet progressive activism."

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22-07-2016, 09:41 PM (This post was last modified: 22-07-2016 09:45 PM by Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver.)
RE: Tim Kaine VP
I've got bad news for you on this one folks. With Hillary choosing Kaine as her VP pick, I would say this effectively seals the fate of her campaign. If I were a betting man right now on the general elections, I would put my money down on Donald Trump. There is a very high probability at this point that he is going to win the general election.

Tim Kaine is a perfectly good politician, an effective bureaucrat and administrator, with solid experience in government. And he is the perfect running made for a room full of intellectuals.

And that's just the goddamned problem. This choice totally misses the energy and dynamics of this election cycle: people are fed up and furious with the status quo and the Washington insider and want a total change from that. Hillary IS that and so is her pick for VP.

She really needed to get either Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren as a VP choice, and then reformat her campaign more toward their ideas and people to follow them.

I'm telling you right now, by the fact that she did not do this - and who knows, maybe she offered them the slot and they turned it down - she will not be able to capture the younger vote from Trump that she so desperately needs to give her that edge. Trump is right: much of the Bernie supporters are going to be disenfranchised with her platform and slowly shift over to Trump. The only thing preventing a landslide is Trump's repulsive behavior drives away so many potential votes.

I hope I am wrong about this.

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22-07-2016, 09:42 PM
RE: Tim Kaine VP
I only heard of him because I had a friend bitched about him and called him a fake democrat. She insists he's a republican in democrat clothes. She lives in Virginia.

I don't know anything about the guy and honestly don't really care.


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22-07-2016, 10:11 PM
RE: Tim Kaine VP
Hispanics blowing up her Facebook page with nasty comments for not picking Julian Castro. Her page was offline for over an hour while they cleaned it up.

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22-07-2016, 10:14 PM
RE: Tim Kaine VP
(22-07-2016 09:39 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  ...
But from a public policy standpoint, he has a pro-choice record. He explained it last month on "Meet the Press."

"I would say people use labels all the time, but I'm kind of a traditional Catholic: Personally I'm opposed to abortion, and personally I'm opposed to the death penalty," he said, adding: "I deeply believe -- and not just as a matter of politics, but even as a matter of morality -- that matters about reproduction and intimacy and relationships and contraception are in the personal realm. They're moral decisions for individuals to make for themselves. And the last thing we need is government intruding into those personal decisions."
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This one:





Also, his position on Murika's new religion:




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23-07-2016, 01:15 AM
RE: Tim Kaine VP
I generally like oatmeal.

However ... oatmeal.

Fucking oatmeal.


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23-07-2016, 09:36 AM
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Yeah, the guy is a liberal as far as social issues go, but he's much further to the right on stuff like trade, business, and regulation. He's effectively anti-Sanders.

Picking Kaine is likely a safe choice for moderates, but this also seems like she's actively pissing in the mouths of all of the Sanders supports. I'm not sure how bad of an idea that is, electorally speaking, but it almost seems like she's saying "Well, the primary's over! Time to stop pretending to be a leftist!".
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23-07-2016, 10:05 AM
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(23-07-2016 09:36 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  Yeah, the guy is a liberal as far as social issues go, but he's much further to the right on stuff like trade, business, and regulation. He's effectively anti-Sanders.

Picking Kaine is likely a safe choice for moderates, but this also seems like she's actively pissing in the mouths of all of the Sanders supports. I'm not sure how bad of an idea that is, electorally speaking, but it almost seems like she's saying "Well, the primary's over! Time to stop pretending to be a leftist!".

Yeah, well ... called it!

(14-07-2016 03:25 AM)DLJ Wrote:  ...
swing right to reach out to the Trump voters.

I think that's still likely to happen to some degree and it's that degree that will be worth analysing when it happens.
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Based on Kaine's enthusiasm for it, the key indicator will be the TPP.

And when you say "safe choice for moderates" I assume you mean 'conservatives'.

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23-07-2016, 10:18 AM
RE: Tim Kaine VP
John Nance Garner once noted that "the vice-presidency is not worth a pitcher of warm piss." No one like Julian Castro, who is a young up and comer should throw away his career by taking that job.

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