Time

[I and I]

(25-09-2012 03:12 PM)I and I Wrote:  

(25-09-2012 03:06 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  I already proved it with clocks.
The rest is YOUR problem. YOU are the one with the problem here. Apparently no one else has one. You STILL cannot separate perception from external events. Things "happen" whether you are there to perceive them or not.

nobody ever said that events and things don't exist outside perception.

If a person loves their wife, their wife really exists independent of their perception, however love is a concept and is not independent of a human mind, it's the same with time. A rusty gate really exists independent of our perception however it takes a human mind with a general concept of time to say or think "the gate was once not rusty and became rusty over time" time is the concept we use to help understand and relate to the outside world.

a clock doesn't prove that time exists independent of the human mind anymore than thunder proves that god is a good a bowler.