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28-10-2013, 11:07 AM
Shocked Time is an emergent phenomenon
So, science brings more confusing ideas and philosophy breaking concepts to the discussion. Now it seems time only pass for observers inside the universe, not observers outside.
Keep calm and wait for the theist saying this is proof of god Tongue

https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/d5d3dc850933

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28-10-2013, 11:08 AM (This post was last modified: 28-10-2013 11:17 AM by KidCharlemagne1962.)
RE: Time is an emergent phenomenon
(28-10-2013 11:07 AM)nach_in Wrote:  So, science brings more confusing ideas and philosophy breaking concepts to the discussion. Now it seems time only pass for observers inside the universe, not observers outside.
Keep calm and wait for the theist saying this is proof of god Tongue

https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/d5d3dc850933

It obviously is proof of god silly.Tongue

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28-10-2013, 12:22 PM
RE: Time is an emergent phenomenon
Or proof of eternal life (life without time) on the "other side". Big Grin

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28-10-2013, 12:30 PM
RE: Time is an emergent phenomenon
There is no "life" without change.

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28-10-2013, 12:42 PM (This post was last modified: 28-10-2013 12:54 PM by cjlr.)
RE: Time is an emergent phenomenon
The article does of course mention that there is no "outside" for the universe Tongue.

Now, the concepts presented here aren't really new, though the demonstration is. Time only exists when given a reference frame (a clock) - and all of our clocks are, er, inside the universe. And time is only meaningful relative to change ("[time] is what keeps everything from happening at once", after all - which also necessarily requires that something happen).

This does fit with some thermodynamic arguments I've seen, as well. If the universe (an isolated system if ever there was one) is, from an "outside" perspective ( Rolleyes ) reversible, then its entropy is constant, and 'time' is not something which can be meaningfully applied to it (from the "outside").

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28-10-2013, 12:53 PM
RE: Time is an emergent phenomenon
I always think of theoretical time as a standard outside the universe.
And every particle in the universe has its own clock that gravity/acceleration can retard.
Therefore a faster than light travel across is not backward travel.because nothing inside the universe no matter how varied it is with its neighbours can affect outer universe time.

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28-10-2013, 09:30 PM
RE: Time is an emergent phenomenon
(28-10-2013 12:42 PM)cjlr Wrote:  The article does of course mention that there is no "outside" for the universe Tongue.

Now, the concepts presented here aren't really new, though the demonstration is. Time only exists when given a reference frame (a clock) - and all of our clocks are, er, inside the universe. And time is only meaningful relative to change ("[time] is what keeps everything from happening at once", after all - which also necessarily requires that something happen).

This does fit with some thermodynamic arguments I've seen, as well. If the universe (an isolated system if ever there was one) is, from an "outside" perspective ( Rolleyes ) reversible, then its entropy is constant, and 'time' is not something which can be meaningfully applied to it (from the "outside").

weirdly that clarifies some things Huh

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28-10-2013, 09:59 PM
RE: Time is an emergent phenomenon
(28-10-2013 09:30 PM)nach_in Wrote:  weirdly that clarifies some things Huh

Well, I should hope!

I do try to know a little about science, you know.

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28-10-2013, 10:18 PM
RE: Time is an emergent phenomenon
(28-10-2013 09:59 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(28-10-2013 09:30 PM)nach_in Wrote:  weirdly that clarifies some things Huh

Well, I should hope!

I do try to know a little about science, you know.

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29-10-2013, 12:02 AM
RE: Time is an emergent phenomenon
Ain't nobody got time for this!
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