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06-03-2013, 09:45 AM
Tipping
I had a friend post something on facebook from our local Ohio newspaper that really rustled my jimmys.

The article stated about how people who don't tip, or tip poorly, are ruining waiters lives. The article continued to state how this particular waiter made 2.13 an hour and after taxes his entire check was gone, and he lived off tips. Then, he stated how 50% of his tips are skimmed by the busboys/bartenders/food runners, so anyone who tips $2 on a check are actually only giving the server $1.

Now, for the rant/opinion. I'm all for tipping well, but when did tipping become a requirement for waiters? I was raised by a woman who lived off tips as well, however my mother worked her ass off as a cashier at a casino to EARN her tips. Let me say that again: EARN. It absolutely infuriates me when you get a horrible server, who then gives you dirty looks when you leave a $1 tip. I tip based on performance, as should everyone else...If you want a $10 tip, then be a $10 server. I had a guy at Logans here in SC, who sat, during dinner rush, and had an entire conversation with our son (15 month old). My son was saying nothing but "ah" and "oh" but this server just sat there going "yeah? you like dinner? (baby says ah) yeah I like eating here too." I gave the dude a $15 tip, got his name, and shift hours, and now ask for his tables when i make a reservation. THAT is the kind of service that deserves a big tip.

On the reverse side, at chili's right next door, there was a waitress, who took our orders....and we never saw her again, the manager had to bring us our food, and I had to walk to the bar to get our drinks refilled. As a result, I left a 50 cent tip. Then the waitress had the nerve to follow me to my car, and proceed to yell at me about how I'm starving her two children because I'm a "stingy prick". I politely explained that I tip based on performance and that her tip reflected the service i had received. This woman, then forged the check to read 10.50 tip with a 21.50 total....I apparently gave a 10 dollar tip on an 11 dollar check.

I Understand trying to make ends meet, but when did our culture switch to make tipping a requirement.

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06-03-2013, 10:36 AM
RE: Tipping
I thought there'd be cows in this thread...

Seriously though, it's not just tipping. "Exempt" (salaried) employees get screwed by employers, too. In fact, in today's world, it seems like employers prefer to pay as little as possible and replace unhappy employees when needed. It doesn't help the workforce that unemployment is so high - employers know that we're easy to replace because there's an unemployed person eager to take our job, probably for less money.

In my grandfather's day, a man got a decent wage. Employers preferred to increase his wage to keep him, to keep his knowledge and experience, to incent him to be loyal. They didn't want to underpay and replace him, they preferred to adequately compensate him for his good work.

That's all changed.

Underpaid waiters/waitresses who require tips to afford to pay their bills is just one symptom of the bigger picture.

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06-03-2013, 11:20 AM
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I tip this kid down at Papa John's rather generously each time I go there. My total comes to about $14, but I always leave a $10 tip because I like him and he gives good service as a result. It's actually kind of funny when I walk in the door because he'll peek his head over the little brick wall, then scurry his way past the other employees to get to the register. If someone's already there, he'll pat them on the shoulder and say "I've got it, man" and then jump on the computer to make sure it's his name that's on the receipt. lol

I know he only gives me good service because he wants the money, but the service is all that's relevant. Interestingly, he's the only one I ever tip, but I'm now on a first-name basis with a number of the people who work there. Even outside of their work.

Anyway, other than that, I don't tip. Mainly because I'm an apathetic bastard. :/ (I rarely eat outside of my own kitchen anyway)

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06-03-2013, 11:38 AM
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My mother was a waitress for as long as I can remember. She had 4 kids to support all on her own. She was always very friendly and attentive to her customers. (A coffee cup never went below the halfway gone mark at her tables.)

I understand some waiters and waitresses can be very lackluster, but I will ALWAYS give a tip. I kinda start with how much money I intend to pay for my bill alone, then that sets a "maximum" of how much of a tip I'll potentially leave. I start at the maximum and slowly deduct from it if things aren't getting done in a timely manner.

I'm also very empathetic and perceptive, so I can usually tell when a server is having a bad day and not just there for the money. I am a very loyal customer and when I find somebody I like, I tend to try to get them everytime. I don't use my tipping a person as a way to show I think I'm "above" them.

This one time, at Buffalo Wild Wings, I left a 50% tip on an 26$ bill. (I had just gotten my taxes back and I felt like sharing the happiness...) She was also very sweet.

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06-03-2013, 11:59 AM
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I agree with everything Peanut just said. If I don't intend to tip, I will not go into a restaurant. I will base my tip on the service I receive, but to get none, you'd have to spit in my coffee and slap me in the face, pretty much.

Sure, it's optional, but only in the same way not being an asshole is optional. Either that, or I've known too many waitresses and heard it from their end too much.
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06-03-2013, 12:29 PM
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See, this is the problem...the whole "if I'm not going to tip, I won't eat at a resturant"...Why???? Why has it become a requirement by most people's standards? In most cultures, it's rude to tip.

I think it's a fundamental problem with our resturant system to pay waiters at a level that they require tips to live.

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06-03-2013, 12:36 PM (This post was last modified: 06-03-2013 12:42 PM by amyb.)
RE: Tipping
(06-03-2013 12:29 PM)Likos02 Wrote:  See, this is the problem...the whole "if I'm not going to tip, I won't eat at a resturant"...Why???? Why has it become a requirement by most people's standards? In most cultures, it's rude to tip.

I think it's a fundamental problem with our resturant system to pay waiters at a level that they require tips to live.
Because in THIS culture, it's rude not to tip. When I'm overseas, I don't tip because they make a living wage in most places. They don't here. So I consider it part of the restaurant experience. I would feel like a huge asshole if I went into a restaurant and didn't tip.

It is a problem with restaurants, you're right, but I'm not going to make waiters starve. But yes, perhaps the way to fix it would be to boycott all restaurants, never fucking eat at a restaurant, because then they'd all go out of business. But since that won't happen, I see it as rude to expect a person to wait on me for $2 an hour.

Sure, you could NOT tip and think about it as protesting a system that fucks the employees, but by doing so, you'd be fucking the employees who may well be supporting a family with the tips they make there. Maybe they could get another job, but the economy is shit and many people take any job they can get, and I don't think they deserve to get fucked for doing so.

And yes, I won't go into a restaurant if I have the intention of not tipping. If I'm broke, I will either eat at home or I'll go to a fast food place where they at least pay the workers minimum wage to give me my food.
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06-03-2013, 01:03 PM
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Let me be clear, I have nothing against tipping for good service. However, I cannot understand feeling "like an asshole" for not tipping a bad server. It's their JOB, if they are not going to do it well, then they should not be given extra on top of their paycheck. Flipping that coin, if they are doing it well, I tip (usually) an exorbitant amount.

But, the problem still exists on the baseline of that is not how it should be.

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06-03-2013, 01:33 PM (This post was last modified: 06-03-2013 01:41 PM by 5yrup.)
RE: Tipping
(06-03-2013 12:29 PM)Likos02 Wrote:  See, this is the problem...the whole "if I'm not going to tip, I won't eat at a resturant"...Why???? Why has it become a requirement by most people's standards? In most cultures, it's rude to tip.

I think it's a fundamental problem with our resturant system to pay waiters at a level that they require tips to live.
Most cultures aren't America.

America is the inverse of a lot of the rest of the world -- from which lane we drive on to tipping. People who don't visit restaurants if they can't afford a tip make sense economically. If you can't afford to tip you probably shouldn't be spending the money to eat out in the first place. Emotionally, it is rewarding and pleasing because we know that servers in the States are paid crap and our brain compensates us with a nice shot of feel-good drugs when we leave a tip and "help them get by".

Unfortunately, the corporate world banks on this -- quite literally. It is a catch-22.

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06-03-2013, 03:34 PM
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Again, yes, it IS a fundamental problem, but they see it as incentive to do a good job.

And while you're free not to feel the need to tip, I was just explaining why I would feel like a horrible fucking person if someone did a decent job waiting on me and I did not tip.

When I enter a restaurant, it is with the intention of paying for my meal plus a tip. My reasoning for this is that I don't want the waiters to get fucked over and not make a living wage. I don't think my actions are really going to effect the restaurant business at large, so I focus my thoughts on a smaller scale, namely, the individual serving me and getting paid a miserable pittance, and getting stiffed by cheap fucks like my mom. And some of these people may not have a lot of other job prospects, especially in this economy.

Also, I didn't say I'd feel like an asshole for not tipping a bad server. I have not tipped at all in some instances, though it's more likely I will just leave a lousy tip for lousy service. I base my tips on the service, yes, but I go in there with the intention of tipping.
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