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24-01-2011, 05:18 AM
RE: To Kikko: I expect better from fellow atheist
You try to fix the actions that lead to stereotypes but you never will be able to...as long as there are groups who think differently there will always be stereotypes - wow players , metalheads , geeks , lawyers etc.
The only time it becomes a problem is when you apply a strongly negative stereotype to a whole group of people i.e "All muslims are terrorists"
Then , and only then , does humor cease to exist and seeing people in stereotypes is a problem.
Unless you apply to ethnicity , gender or religion you can joke about things.
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24-01-2011, 07:00 AM
RE: To Kikko: I expect better from fellow atheist
(24-01-2011 03:22 AM)gaglamesh731 Wrote:  Uhm , from what I've read , it's just humor.
If you're on the Internet - grow thicker skin.

Exactly. I can't believe Kikko got called out like this over just one small comment that was really not that big a deal.

Oh, and although all I know about this is what I read on this thread, I can guarantee you that not only is RexRyan an American but he's one of the 5th worst kind of American: A Jets fan (Rex Ryan is the coach for the New York Jets, an American football club).

If it makes you feel better, the Jets lost their big game last night and poor Rex is off sulking and sucking his wife's toes.

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24-01-2011, 08:43 AM (This post was last modified: 24-01-2011 08:52 AM by Kikko.)
RE: To Kikko: I expect better from fellow atheist
I didn't read every post, but please, relax! The stereotype that I've got of the religiousness of Americans is ''*fingers in ears* laa laa laa''.
I love joking with stereotypes, but how does it make it mockery of all Americans? I guess it would have been appropriate if I would be an American, just like my stereotypical joking about Finnish drinking habits, melancolism and xenofobia seem to be appropriate, although they're only stereotypes.
In an other video I got this response: ''I'm American, but I totally agree sadly lol''. Why was his/her reaction so different from yours?

I do not hate nationalities. Nationality is not a factor when I'm evaluating individuals. My father on the other hand bought a matchbox with Saddam Husseins picture on it just because ''He was such a pain in the yankees asses'', and his anti-americanity affected me as a kid, but I've grown a brain.

I'm sorry for offending you, but that was not my intention.

PS. Maybe it's easier for me to get jokes based on national stereotypes, since I don't feel national. That's why I feel much more comfortable in an English forum with people from around the world.

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24-01-2011, 09:22 AM
RE: To Kikko: I expect better from fellow atheist
If you want something offensive that's right on the border , try this :
Frank Zappa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syBn6PzMzP8
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24-01-2011, 09:23 AM
RE: To Kikko: I expect better from fellow atheist
Finally. It took 3 pages, but he showed up. That's all I cared about. I didn't even read the thread.

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24-01-2011, 09:29 AM
RE: To Kikko: I expect better from fellow atheist
(24-01-2011 08:43 AM)Kikko Wrote:  I didn't read every post, but please, relax! The stereotype that I've got of the religiousness of Americans is ''*fingers in ears* laa laa laa''.
I love joking with stereotypes, but how does it make it mockery of all Americans? I guess it would have been appropriate if I would be an American, just like my stereotypical joking about Finnish drinking habits, melancolism and xenofobia seem to be appropriate, although they're only stereotypes.
In an other video I got this response: ''I'm American, but I totally agree sadly lol''. Why was his/her reaction so different from yours?

I do not hate nationalities. Nationality is not a factor when I'm evaluating individuals. My father on the other hand bought a matchbox with Saddam Husseins picture on it just because ''He was such a pain in the yankees asses'', and his anti-americanity affected me as a kid, but I've grown a brain.

I'm sorry for offending you, but that was not my intention.

PS. Maybe it's easier for me to get jokes based on national stereotypes, since I don't feel national. That's why I feel much more comfortable in an English forum with people from around the world.

Yeah I am sorry about my original post. I was in a bad mood and took it out on you. I am not easily offended a vast majority of the time. I expect more out of myself and should of realized I wasn't the target of that comment on youtube. My mistake, and I was being immature. Please disregard all the negative comments in my original post. In the future I will do a better job with not being so sensative. Lesson learned.

I don't know why that person's reaction was different. I do agree that Americans need to improve on our reputation though, and I think we are doing a good job of that. We have a minority president and our goverment is mostly liberal and more secular now. We had an overly religious and conservative goverment back in 2000-2008 which were the years in which our reputation was destroyed on global view.

I will work on not being so sensative and not taking my bad mood out on others. I expect more out of atheist but I am the atheist that needs to improve on things. Religious people are overly sensative and I am not religious so I need to work on getting away from that.
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24-01-2011, 10:16 AM
RE: To Kikko: I expect better from fellow atheist
I still can't help feeling ashamed. I see why you grew a dick into your forehead (pardon the expression) and I think I've learned something too. The safest thing is to joke among a group that knows you and not where everybody sees it. Think, if this would be something else than an atheist forum, I don't think many of us would be joking about religion and the religious. Here it's safe because this is an ''atheist territory''.
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24-01-2011, 12:05 PM
RE: To Kikko: I expect better from fellow atheist
To be honest a lot of europeans have a bad view of americans because of the government of Bush.I think people need more time to get out of that mindset. How did Americans feel about germans or japanese after WW2 ? Once your leaders destroy your country's image , even if the people wake up and vote for a different political leader it takes a while for people to acknowledge the change.
To be honest , I'm happy to see this resolved amicably.
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24-01-2011, 08:41 PM
 
RE: To Kikko: I expect better from fellow atheist
(24-01-2011 09:29 AM)omega21 Wrote:  our goverment is mostly liberal and more secular now.

Yeah, right... Tongue

There are no no atheists in Congress, as opposed to previous 2 years. Furthermore, the Republicans have just re-gained a majority in the House. Even when Democrats were in the majority, they could barely get liberal reforms through, a good lot of them being centrist democrats.

A recent AP poll finds that only 9 % of Americans would describe themselves as very liberal, as opposed to about 15-20 % calling themselves very conservative.

Have we made progress? Sure... But I believe as the hype of the Obama administration has died that it has become clear that a change in the head of state does not mean an institutional or an organizational change. I have/had a lot of respect for Obama, and election was a triumph and all, but it has also brought forward the usual racist/religious criticisms that still linger among the psyche of the American people.

Obama may reflect in a change of tone/perception, but the day to day workings of US foreign policy (including the possibly criminal elements) remain unchanged. The Bush apparatus is still in place, it is just no longer the subject of controversy given more pressing domestic matters. Obama is not a socialist. He may have been liberal in the campaign, but his execution so far has been centrist and tempered, and in many cases, overtly capitalistic. I can't necessarily blame him for that. Again, he has to work within a framework that cannot merely be changed at the whim of an election.

Having said that, I personally believe nationalism is a stupid concept and that nations should be treated as nothing more than administrative structures created the make it easier to govern the human population, no different than American states or provinces.

America is a great place to live. It may not be the best, but it is pretty decent, and I like it here. I hate a lot of Americans. I believe the system kind of sucks. But that has nothing to do with the people I hate being "American." I love a lot of Americans as well. I dislike the system because of its idealogical principles and not its arbitrary geographical location.
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24-01-2011, 09:39 PM
RE: To Kikko: I expect better from fellow atheist
(24-01-2011 10:16 AM)Kikko Wrote:  I still can't help feeling ashamed. I see why you grew a dick into your forehead (pardon the expression)

LOL! What kind of expression is this? Never heard that one.

Off topic: Some foreign language expressions are hilarious. My husband is from Europe and some of the things that seem so normal to him are hilarious in English. Big Grin

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