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03-11-2017, 09:38 AM
To opponents of legalizing prostitution
All the articles have a very obvious bias against the profession. And many just saying "It's just wrong", which is a very shitty argument. Keeping an open mind is quite important.

So go ahead. Take your best shot. Keep it civil. Who knows, you might even convince me. Smile
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03-11-2017, 09:59 AM
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(03-11-2017 09:38 AM)underdogFTW Wrote:  All the articles have a very obvious bias against the profession. And many just saying "It's just wrong", which is a very shitty argument. Keeping an open mind is quite important.

So go ahead. Take your best shot. Keep it civil. Who knows, you might even convince me. Smile

What articles?

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03-11-2017, 12:36 PM (This post was last modified: 03-11-2017 12:45 PM by BikerDude.)
RE: To opponents of legalizing prostitution
Well to all the people who are always so interested in figuring out how to prevent mass shootings, I'd suggest that perhaps if some of these creature got laid from time to time they probably wouldn't have gone postal.
I support legalized prostitution.
But I'm married so ...
I hope the wife doesn't see this.

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03-11-2017, 12:38 PM
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03-11-2017, 01:55 PM
RE: To opponents of legalizing prostitution
(03-11-2017 12:36 PM)BikerDude Wrote:  Well to all the people who are always so interested in figuring out how to prevent mass shootings, I'd suggest that perhaps if some of these creature got laid from time to time they probably wouldn't have gone postal.
I support legalized prostitution.
But I'm married so ...
I hope the wife doesn't see this.

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This is hilarious! And rings true, too.

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03-11-2017, 02:08 PM (This post was last modified: 03-11-2017 02:37 PM by epronovost.)
RE: To opponents of legalizing prostitution
I think there is a pretty strong consensus on the forum for prostitution to be legalised as long as there is some measures of protection for the prostitutes and guaranties for them to have a safe work environment, decent pay, health insurence benefits and ability to work under a pseudonyme should they wish too. I personaly support the legalisation of prostitution. The most common arguments I have seen against prostitution are the following:

1) Fear of further objectification of women: Most prostitute being women and litteraly selling their body makes for an easier hypersexualisation of a particular group of people.

2) Prostitution allows people to maintain antisocial behaviors: Prostitution gives an easy outlet for people who are incapable and/or unwilling to form love relationship with others to obtain sexual gratification through a power relationship. It reinforce those antisocial behaviors by making good social behaviors obsolete to achieve a relatively basic human need.

3) Prostitution require important cultural changes to be considered a ''normal'' job: Our culture surrounding sexual relationship, love, seduction, couple dynamic needs to be changed before prostitutes can operate their jobs in safety without fearing public humiliation. Since prostitution, illegal or not is perceived as a shameful job, it's almost only practiced by vulnerable women thus exposing them to danger and leading to point 1.

4) Legalisation of prostitution would allow organised crime to laundered money of their other important criminal venture even more easily without breaking control over prostitution: pretty self explanatory.

5) Prostitution is against God's law: pretty self explanatory too.

6) Prostitution denature love: sex should be physical representation of love and not a glorified form of masturbation. It's psychologically unhealthy to confuse the two.

7) Legalised prostitution will augment the number of abortion and risk of transmission of STDs: pretty self explanatory.

8) Safe, sane, legalised prostitution will cost so much that the blackmarket for it will be almost unaffected: Countries who have legalised prostitution didn't see any signifiant increase in their revenues. Legalised prostitution in brothels tend to increase the cost of sexual services to compensate for better pays for the prostitutes themselves, but also for their increased security and healthcare, thus reducing their clientel to people with more money and time. Thus a black market for dirt cheap prostitution would still flourish changing almost nothing to the current situation.

These aren't all bad arguments (some are much better than others though), but I still consider that prostitution should be legalised. what do you think of them?

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03-11-2017, 05:48 PM
RE: To opponents of legalizing prostitution
I am very much for legalizing it everywhere.
I am originally from Germany and it is legal there. You can register freelance or be employed as prostitute, you will be taxed and have healthcare. I am unsure how exactly it is with health checks but I think prostitutes (male or female doesn't matter) need to get regular blood tests for STDs done.

Just a few thoughts I had, reading epronovost's post with the common arguments against and what I would answer to some of those:
With a new field of work, new employers and companies come up. A lot of what had to be done on the black market can then be legal and well done. Often black market brothels (at least in the western countries) aren't dirty shacks with horrible conditions. Often it is done in unseeming houses or apartments and the prostitutes usually care very much about cleanliness and health. Yes I have done some deep diving into this topic.
About laundering money through prostitution. You can launder money technically with any "store front" business. It doesn't matter if you have a nail salon (hi breaking bad fans), a restaurant, or even a freaking law firm. There are dirty people with dirty methods everywhere.
About objectifying women. Both men and women are equally being objectified and both do work as prostitutes. If prostitution is legal, there is more self control and more empowerment to the individual who does that work. If they are ok with being objectified then that is their decision. Also customers of prostitutes don't go to a prostitute to objectify, they go to have sex because they can't have sex with somebody else at that point. They go for a service and the prostitute, as a person, is secondary, the prostitute delivers a service and gets paid for it. Much like the teacher as a person is secondary, the teacher gets paid to teach and that is it. Much like the waitress as a person is secondary, the waitress gets paid to serve the customer.

Prostitution is one of the oldest professions in human history and it hasn't always been illegal. The fact that a lot of countries are nowadays having an unhealthy relationship with sex doesn't mean that prostitution is a bad thing or should stay illegal.

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03-11-2017, 06:43 PM
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Casinos are the big money launderers. They are perfect for it. Might explain trump's preference for them as business, too. He probably made a ton of money despite driving the casinos into bankruptcy.

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04-11-2017, 01:45 AM
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If it wasn't for prostitutes, I'd probably still be a virgin. I think I can safely say that I've had about 90% of my sexual encounters with prostitutes. Consider
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04-11-2017, 12:11 PM
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(03-11-2017 02:08 PM)epronovost Wrote:  I think there is a pretty strong consensus on the forum for prostitution to be legalised as long as there is some measures of protection for the prostitutes and guaranties for them to have a safe work environment, decent pay, health insurence benefits and ability to work under a pseudonyme should they wish too. I personaly support the legalisation of prostitution. The most common arguments I have seen against prostitution are the following:

1) Fear of further objectification of women: Most prostitute being women and litteraly selling their body makes for an easier hypersexualisation of a particular group of people.

2) Prostitution allows people to maintain antisocial behaviors: Prostitution gives an easy outlet for people who are incapable and/or unwilling to form love relationship with others to obtain sexual gratification through a power relationship. It reinforce those antisocial behaviors by making good social behaviors obsolete to achieve a relatively basic human need.

3) Prostitution require important cultural changes to be considered a ''normal'' job: Our culture surrounding sexual relationship, love, seduction, couple dynamic needs to be changed before prostitutes can operate their jobs in safety without fearing public humiliation. Since prostitution, illegal or not is perceived as a shameful job, it's almost only practiced by vulnerable women thus exposing them to danger and leading to point 1.

4) Legalisation of prostitution would allow organised crime to laundered money of their other important criminal venture even more easily without breaking control over prostitution: pretty self explanatory.

5) Prostitution is against God's law: pretty self explanatory too.

6) Prostitution denature love: sex should be physical representation of love and not a glorified form of masturbation. It's psychologically unhealthy to confuse the two.

7) Legalised prostitution will augment the number of abortion and risk of transmission of STDs: pretty self explanatory.

8) Safe, sane, legalised prostitution will cost so much that the blackmarket for it will be almost unaffected: Countries who have legalised prostitution didn't see any signifiant increase in their revenues. Legalised prostitution in brothels tend to increase the cost of sexual services to compensate for better pays for the prostitutes themselves, but also for their increased security and healthcare, thus reducing their clientel to people with more money and time. Thus a black market for dirt cheap prostitution would still flourish changing almost nothing to the current situation.

These aren't all bad arguments (some are much better than others though), but I still consider that prostitution should be legalised. what do you think of them?

1. I can't say I agree. If prostitution was legalised then sex would become 'just something you do'. Which is far better than whetever the fuck it is now. And that would in turn lead to less objectification of women.

2. Instead of now, where people who are incapable of forming relationships get depressed, turn to violence and a myriad of other emotional problems. When sex becomes more casual, being lonely could be a choice instead of 'what losers do'.

3. I agree. But doesn't mean we should postpone it forever. Gotta do it someday.

4. This is tricky. I'm not sure how crime syndicates actually launder their money, but from what I've heard there are better and far more complicated ways to launder your money. Even so, wouldn't legalizing mean there should be records of all transactions? Then it wouldn't be easier than using any other type of busisness to launder money.

5. Yeah, nope.

6. 'Sex should be a physical representation of love' is a subjective statement. Sex should be nothing but sex. Neither good nor bad in any context.

7. The only reason me and all my friends aren't fucking our way through a brothel is the risk of STDs. Legalizing would require all prostitutes and even costumers be tested. You could even mandate protection or pills to prevent any unecessary surprises.

8. This is by far the single best argument. For this to hold true, a lot of factors need to be considered. And as I said, as time goes on and the stigma related to prostitution is gone, the businesses will grow and competitions will rise and as a result sex will be cheap. But something has to be done in the first place. We can't just sit around waiting for society to not be ignorant idiots, we have to push it along.
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