To our Europeans: Is everything okay over there?
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16-04-2011, 03:13 AM
RE: To our Europeans: Is everything okay over there?
(15-04-2011 02:54 PM)Cetaceaphile Wrote:  We have Gypsies here too. They get all the socialist benefits but don't have to pay taxes, it's also deemed 'racist' to try to stop them from vandalizing public spaces.

Ohh so they are globally the same. They don't work, they get the social befits. It is racist to say 'gypsy' in public you'd better call them 'roma'. I live in western Hungary which is much better than East, still they tried to rob me, and once I got beaten up when I was 7! They are socially isolated from the rest of the society, and it's safe to say that 70% of them are criminals. Of course no such survey was made because it would be sooo racist. Telling the truth is the most racist thing right now.

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16-04-2011, 03:05 PM
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It's a reality that there are behavioral differences between races, no I'd say that reality is pretty 'racist'. Personally though I think it's more racist to let people from one race get away with murder (sometimes literally) and people from other races can go to prison for speaking their mind.

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16-04-2011, 03:30 PM
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I had some fun times with roma while in Italy, but outside of Europe I don't think they are very popular. In the US gypsy is still the term and cops actually try to break up caravans.

@ceta That;s not a racial thing that's an ethnic thing. People from the same culture share features. Race is not divided as far as ethnicity. There are all sorts of caucasians but we don't call each type specific things unless discussing their place of origin for example.

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16-04-2011, 04:37 PM
 
RE: To our Europeans: Is everything okay over there?
Don't notice it too much. Some weirdo shot up a mall because he forgot his meds and was angry at god. Yay for that. Gay's are still bullied, muslims are still scary for everyone it seems. And the governament has taken it's weirdest form as of yet. So all in all, the usual. Oh and some random guy murdered his wife and shot some cops while trying to catch the train...
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16-04-2011, 04:56 PM
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We are all African. Now shut up and share the love!

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16-04-2011, 09:20 PM
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(16-04-2011 03:30 PM)Lilith Pride Wrote:  @ceta That;s not a racial thing that's an ethnic thing. People from the same culture share features. Race is not divided as far as ethnicity. There are all sorts of caucasians but we don't call each type specific things unless discussing their place of origin for example.

It's really hard to keep track of what these things are. If you say anything about an ethnic group you are a "racist", if you say anything about a religion you are "racist", but some religions are their own "Races", and others are an "Ethnic group", but some "races" can be criticized without anyone being accused of "racism".

It's all pretty confusing.

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17-04-2011, 06:26 AM
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LOL - I live in Romania, you think you have it bad in the UK , try living here.
Many roma communities isolate themselves and it takes a 50-car police caravan to conduct a simple warrant search.
They're not all like that , but I swear that most I met are.
It's not even a skin color issue, it's the nomadic lifestyle they live. Most nomadic tribes have animals or hunt or manufacture goods. They do none. Some become part of society and very respectable citizens , see the jazz player Johny Raducanu - but the rest , ...
And the extremist groups are just as bad , especially neo-nazis and others.
Someone mentioned Hungary , don't you have a whole fascist movement there ?

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17-04-2011, 07:14 AM
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I blame the groups of people who segregate themselves and fuck over every other group for the fascist parties that arise. Fascism simply doesn't get popular in societies where people aren't being constantly attacked by anti-productive minority groups.

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17-04-2011, 07:21 AM
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I have yet to find a better gypsy entertainer than Django Reinhardt.

And what I was saying Ceta was that a skin color (what race is considered) does not always denote where someone came from. And often grouping together people by skin color is saying that two completely opposite ways of life are exactly the same. Racism is an annoying term that happens everywhere. The term Ethnicity simply implies that you are discussing a group for their culture not their skin color.

If you want less groups to separate from society you better make a smaller society. With as many people who live in each place there is no way for any culture or society to keep track fo everyone. Those discarded will always look for a way to feel important.

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17-04-2011, 08:59 AM
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"Someone mentioned Hungary , don't you have a whole fascist movement there ?"

Well I'm not sure they are fascist but there is the "Jobbik - movement for a better Hunary". They are the extremely nationalist movement, the Jobbik party has 17% of the MP's. They organised a Hungarian Guard, which was basically a voluntary army without weapons. They sometimes marched over gypsy villages (doing nothing but marching) and had passionate assemblies in the capital. Then they were deemed racist were dismissed by the parliament

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