To the Theists. God Work's in Mysterious ways?
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03-02-2016, 10:33 AM
RE: To the Theists. God Work's in Mysterious ways?
(03-02-2016 10:06 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(18-01-2016 08:26 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  The entire line of thinking goes against god wanting some type of relationship with humans.

If you want to ruin a relationship, do something inexplicable and then refuse to explain why you did it.

I think it's the exact opposite, if you want to ruin a relationship devote yourself to justifying and explaining your actions. If you want preserve it just say your sorry. A dying marriage seems to be filled with an excessive amount of explanations.

So when has god apologized? I must have missed that.

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03-02-2016, 10:46 AM
RE: To the Theists. God Work's in Mysterious ways?
(03-02-2016 10:06 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(18-01-2016 08:26 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  The entire line of thinking goes against god wanting some type of relationship with humans.

If you want to ruin a relationship, do something inexplicable and then refuse to explain why you did it.

I think it's the exact opposite, if you want to ruin a relationship devote yourself to justifying and explaining your actions. If you want preserve it just say your sorry. A dying marriage seems to be filled with an excessive amount of explanations.

That is a succinct summary of the dynamic that plays out between atheists and the apologists that speak on god's behalf.

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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03-02-2016, 10:46 AM
RE: To the Theists. God Work's in Mysterious ways?
(03-02-2016 10:06 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(18-01-2016 08:26 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  The entire line of thinking goes against god wanting some type of relationship with humans.

If you want to ruin a relationship, do something inexplicable and then refuse to explain why you did it.

I think it's the exact opposite, if you want to ruin a relationship devote yourself to justifying and explaining your actions. If you want preserve it just say your sorry. A dying marriage seems to be filled with an excessive amount of explanations.

That is utter nonsense. So you only have two options: doing inexplicable things and not explaining them, or doing shitty things and then trying to explain them away. Either way you're in a crappy relationship.

"Why hast thou forsaken me, o deity whose existence I doubt..." - Dr. Sheldon Cooper
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03-02-2016, 11:27 AM
RE: To the Theists. God Work's in Mysterious ways?
(03-02-2016 10:06 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  I think it's the exact opposite, if you want to ruin a relationship devote yourself to justifying and explaining your actions. If you want preserve it just say your sorry. A dying marriage seems to be filled with an excessive amount of explanations.

There are a lot of differences between a marriage and the (supposed) relationship between God and people. Just off the top of my head:
  • Each spouse can communicate with the other at all, without resorting to "looking for signs", making assumptions about vague changes in mood, or reading scripture hoping it's applicable to the situation.
  • Each spouse is (hopefully) portrayed as equal to the other.
  • Neither spouse is expected to be able to behave in a confusing manner and not have to offer up any explanation. Especially if their behavior looks terrible on the surface*.

* Ever notice how no one ever invokes the phrase "mysterious ways" when God does things that are "good" or even make sense? The whole point is that people say this because God appears to be doing some shady shit or just sleeping at the wheel at the time in question.
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03-02-2016, 11:35 AM
RE: To the Theists. God Work's in Mysterious ways?
(03-02-2016 10:46 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  
(03-02-2016 10:06 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  I think it's the exact opposite, if you want to ruin a relationship devote yourself to justifying and explaining your actions. If you want preserve it just say your sorry. A dying marriage seems to be filled with an excessive amount of explanations.

That is a succinct summary of the dynamic that plays out between atheists and the apologists that speak on god's behalf.

The human tendency when explaining their behavior, particularly when wronging someone, is elaborate but false justifications. Basic human kindness, empathy, are more fundamental qualities in managing conflicts, than explaining yourself.

The tendency among those prone to explain themselves, is to be protective.

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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03-02-2016, 03:00 PM
RE: To the Theists. God Work's in Mysterious ways?
(03-02-2016 11:35 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  The human tendency when explaining their behavior, particularly when wronging someone, is elaborate but false justifications. Basic human kindness, empathy, are more fundamental qualities in managing conflicts, than explaining yourself.

The tendency among those prone to explain themselves, is to be protective.

So you're saying God would be a better Christian if he stopped doing stuff that looked bad and confusing and instead just showed us kindness and empathy?

Who'da guessed?
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03-02-2016, 03:52 PM
RE: To the Theists. God Work's in Mysterious ways?
(03-02-2016 10:06 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(18-01-2016 08:26 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  The entire line of thinking goes against god wanting some type of relationship with humans.

If you want to ruin a relationship, do something inexplicable and then refuse to explain why you did it.

I think it's the exact opposite, if you want to ruin a relationship devote yourself to justifying and explaining your actions. If you want preserve it just say your sorry. A dying marriage seems to be filled with an excessive amount of explanations.

Sorry for the congenital heart defect Timmy. Mysterious Ways and all that.

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03-02-2016, 04:04 PM
RE: To the Theists. God Work's in Mysterious ways?
(03-02-2016 10:06 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  If you want preserve it just say your sorry.

So .... we should be able to just say "I'm sorry", and not need "redemption" then.
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04-02-2016, 01:54 PM
RE: To the Theists. God Work's in Mysterious ways?
There's no reason to begin with the premise that "God works in mysterious ways", to reason out why he doesn't communicate with us. Both are easily understood by the fact that he DOESN'T EXIST.

I want to slap the next Christian that says "God works in mysterious ways". It's their way of explaining a negative incident that takes place that could be much more logically explained by saying "there is no God".

Why did hurricane Katrina wipe out New Orleans? According to Jerry Fallwell, it was an act of God for all the atheists and homosexuals in our country. But why didn't he just kill the atheists and homosexuals and spare all the other innocent people? "We'll never know, God works in mysterious ways."

Now try: There is no God, hurricanes are formed by certain weather patterns on earth and if a large city happens to be in it's path then it is wiped out.

Which one of these two explanation sounds more logical?

THE UNINTERRUPTED PATTERN IS:

When you hear a Christian say, "Thank you Jesus for (fill in the blank)!", Chances are, there was a POSITIVE occurrence in that person's life. She prayed to Jesus and her prayers were answered.

But, on the other hand, if you hear, "It's a shame that God let that happen. I guess the Lord works in mysterious ways." More than likely there was a NEGATIVE outcome, and that person is trying to justify why her compassionate God didn't answer her fervent prayers.

"Why hast thou forsaken me, o deity whose existence I doubt..." - Dr. Sheldon Cooper
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04-02-2016, 02:15 PM
RE: To the Theists. God Work's in Mysterious ways?
(04-02-2016 01:54 PM)mgoering Wrote:  There's no reason to begin with the premise that "God works in mysterious ways", to reason out why he doesn't communicate with us. Both are easily understood by the fact that he DOESN'T EXIST.

I want to slap the next Christian that says "God works in mysterious ways". It's their way of explaining a negative incident that takes place that could be much more logically explained by saying "there is no God".

Why did hurricane Katrina wipe out New Orleans? According to Jerry Fallwell, it was an act of God for all the atheists and homosexuals in our country. But why didn't he just kill the atheists and homosexuals and spare all the other innocent people? "We'll never know, God works in mysterious ways."

Now try: There is no God, hurricanes are formed by certain weather patterns on earth and if a large city happens to be in it's path then it is wiped out.

Which one of these two explanation sounds more logical?

THE UNINTERRUPTED PATTERN IS:

When you hear a Christian say, "Thank you Jesus for (fill in the blank)!", Chances are, there was a POSITIVE occurrence in that person's life. She prayed to Jesus and her prayers were answered.

But, on the other hand, if you hear, "It's a shame that God let that happen. I guess the Lord works in mysterious ways." More than likely there was a NEGATIVE outcome, and that person is trying to justify why her compassionate God didn't answer her fervent prayers.


I wanted to add: That second person would be totally justified in saying, "Fuck you God! The Bible says that my prayers can move mountains, ask and you will receive. And all I wanted was my husband to be cured of cancer. Was that asking too much? I prayed my fucking ass off! I attend church every week and bow down to kiss your fucking ass. What is wrong with you?!"

You never hear that kind of response. Unless it's in the privacy of their own bedroom just before they're head out to church to say confession.

"Why hast thou forsaken me, o deity whose existence I doubt..." - Dr. Sheldon Cooper
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