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27-11-2013, 02:31 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 02:18 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 02:13 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  MSBB has a fetishist's quote in her signature, a known publisher of violent pornography. Have you told her that violent porn against women and men is ugly and inappropriate? Double standard.

Wtf are you comparing child abuse to consensual sexual fetish between adults?

We can argue about porn, but violent porn that debases people is an outrage and de Sade reveled in it and published and created it. Abuse can be:

*physical
*mental
*verbal
*sexual
*etc.

and the comparison is valid.
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27-11-2013, 02:32 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 02:18 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 02:13 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  MSBB has a fetishist's quote in her signature, a known publisher of violent pornography. Have you told her that violent porn against women and men is ugly and inappropriate? Double standard.

Wtf are you comparing child abuse to consensual sexual fetish between adults?

He is. It shows the abysmally low level of his thinking.

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27-11-2013, 02:33 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 02:29 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 02:15 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  Where is your evidence that the parents and children from every non-spanking family in the world suffers consequences?
KC knows how to read so I'm sure he has gotten the gist if my opinion. I think spanking a child is stupid and lazy but I won't call someone who does the occasional one or two swats an abuser. KC himself said he doesn't advocate the book and he thinks your method of 30 to 40 swats excessive. I will take it a step further to say it is blatant disgusting child abuse.
I don't know KC and I don't know where he lives, but if using an implement is illegal where he lives then yes it is legally child abuse.

I hope your children decide not to continue the abuse onto your grandchildren. As people are paying more and more attention and seeing more and more cases where children are dying, more people are stepping up and reporting abusers. I am sure you don't want to be bailing one of your kids out of jail on child abuse charges.

KC himself said he will read the book and then respond. Have you read the book in its entirety?

The evidence is in the people I meet and talk to daily, Christians and others. The world has many polite, mature, non-spanked as children atheists. The world has many kids from otherwise Christian homes who are hellions and lost without a compass, and it turns out that all those without a severe mental issue were not what as a child?

You guessed right if you guessed "disciplined".

The Bible is true. Instead of taunting with "where's your evidence" why not get some evidence for yourself?

I have read the book. I think it is a load of shit just like your bible.
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27-11-2013, 02:34 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 02:31 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 02:18 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  Wtf are you comparing child abuse to consensual sexual fetish between adults?

We can argue about porn, but violent porn that debases people is an outrage and de Sade reveled in it and published and created it. Abuse can be:

*physical
*mental
*verbal
*sexual
*etc.

and the comparison is valid.

No, it is not. The difference is consent between adults versus the abuse of children.
I don't actually expect you to understand that.

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27-11-2013, 02:34 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 02:31 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 02:18 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  Wtf are you comparing child abuse to consensual sexual fetish between adults?

We can argue about porn, but violent porn that debases people is an outrage and de Sade reveled in it and published and created it. Abuse can be:

*physical
*mental
*verbal
*sexual
*etc.

and the comparison is valid.

The comparison is absolutely not valid.
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27-11-2013, 02:35 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 02:19 PM)guitar_nut Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 02:04 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  For example, one time I brought them to a public preaching setting. After I preached, I said, "Kids, what did you think of the Christians here today?"

"They were polite and waited their turn to ask you questions," the kids said.

"And what about the atheists that came here today?" I asked.

"They kept cursing and yelling at you, saying terrible things. They were angry and rude all day," my kids said.

"By George, I think you've got it," I replied.

That sounds like teaching kids to stereotype. Speaking of stereotypes... you all look like such a happy family!

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It rather sounds like the hundreds of times I've preached publicly. All the Christians are polite and respectful up to a point--a very great point. All the atheists are mind-numbingly coarse in their language, bitter and yelling at some point, vile and disgusting.

I taught my kids what's in the heart comes outside over time, by example. Unless you're a pet troll of preachers, there's no way you've seen or experienced 1/100th of the preaching I've seen--and I had a sure bet when I brought the kids out thanks to atheists. I KNEW how they'd behave.

Why not PROVE THE BIBLE WRONG and behave respectfully and decently going forward?

Don't confuse "stereotype" with "typify" or the ever-scientific "classify". My kids heard, like other kids, debates in the fields of knowledge between atheists and Christians. But they SAW and FELT what an atheist grows to be.

I'm not accusing you or mocking you, but I can speak from a long-held vantage point that granted me some real perspective.
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27-11-2013, 02:37 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 02:28 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 02:17 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  I affirm much of what you wrote. I disagree with your comment, "Spanking a child teaches them that their parents will hurt them when they make mistakes." That is categorically unfair and rather untrue:

*Spanking is a consequence of doing wrong, not of making a mistake or doing something to merely irritate someone

*Hopefully your kids respond--a spanking often changes a child's behavior to the positive for hours or days--time outs might need to happen over and again

*Spanking is about consequences--how is time out teaching them it's wrong to push a child down until the child cries and bleeds from scraping themselves on the driveway? What would you do if a ten-year-old stole a $50 toy and then when caught, threw it to the ground and broke it? Pay the $50, fill out the police forms and then take the child home and say, "No TV or playing for ten minutes since you're ten years old?"

My children don't need to be punished for this type of behavior, because they have been taught from a young age that it is not acceptable. What kind of child pushes another kid down until they bleed? My kids have never done that. From about 18 months to 2 years I have consistently talked to them about how important it is to take care of those who are smaller and/or weaker than us. I don't have any experience with 10 year olds or stealing so I'm not sure on that one, but I can tell you spanking is off the list of possibilities and so is time out which I already said I think is inapropriate after 5 years old. Even if someone chooses to spank I can't imagine spanking a 10 year old. Older than 4 or 5 it starts to seem ridiculous. My dad spanked me once after the age of 8, I was 13 and it was really weird. I think he was as embarrassed as I was. We never talked about it and it never happened again.

I can see you have some well-thought out perspectives as a parent of your own kids. There are parents who adopt ten-year-olds and up. These kids have been abused for real in many cases.
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27-11-2013, 02:40 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 02:32 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 02:18 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  Wtf are you comparing child abuse to consensual sexual fetish between adults?

He is. It shows the abysmally low level of his thinking.

When you answer like this with tiny ad hom snippets meant to degrade another man, Chas, you wonder why I Godwin you?

You accuse me of promoting a book of abuse. Some of the most vile and disgusting comments I've ever heard people say to another are all across the "thinking" forum. Have you ever told someone to reign it in at all who wasn't a theist? In any measure?

And when you did, did you employ a double standard?
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27-11-2013, 02:40 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 01:59 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  A key point is "Jesus was spanked for us" - He took our punishment for our own sin. A spanked child very easily trusts in Christ, and often at a tender age. If that's a reason you dislike spanking, that's a decision you need to make!
Let's say that I don't believe in Jesus. The evidence for his existence is very weak.
So how can I atone for my sins?
Can I spank someone so that they can take the punishment for my own sins?
This would be great!
Does it matter who? Does it have to be my own child or can it be someone else's?
Does it have to be one person or can it be many?
Can I give one person an almighty beating which can serve as punishment paid for all my future sins or do I need to give out the beatings after each sin?
e.g. I have some lustful thoughts about a sexy woman I see at the beach, does that mean I have to go spank someone as punishment for my own lust?
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27-11-2013, 02:41 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 02:33 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 02:29 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  KC himself said he will read the book and then respond. Have you read the book in its entirety?

The evidence is in the people I meet and talk to daily, Christians and others. The world has many polite, mature, non-spanked as children atheists. The world has many kids from otherwise Christian homes who are hellions and lost without a compass, and it turns out that all those without a severe mental issue were not what as a child?

You guessed right if you guessed "disciplined".

The Bible is true. Instead of taunting with "where's your evidence" why not get some evidence for yourself?

I have read the book. I think it is a load of shit just like your bible.

Interesting. Aren't those general statements without any facts, ideas or sources? Is 100% of the Pearls book wrong? Is 100% of the Bible wrong? Are you sure? What standards are you employing here?
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