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27-11-2013, 02:43 PM
RE: To train up a child
Are you really this dense? Or is this an act?

Big, strong, God-fearing man that beats his kids so they will respect him and his god will smile down on him.

Impressive.

Don't use 'all' when talking about a group of people unless you actually know that it's all. All Christians aren't polite and all atheists are not mind-numbingly anything. You know better PJ. You are slipping and further damaging your already flimsy credibility.

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27-11-2013, 02:44 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 02:34 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 02:31 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  We can argue about porn, but violent porn that debases people is an outrage and de Sade reveled in it and published and created it. Abuse can be:

*physical
*mental
*verbal
*sexual
*etc.

and the comparison is valid.

No, it is not. The difference is consent between adults versus the abuse of children.
I don't actually expect you to understand that.

Violent pornography is inappropriate for even consenting adults. Perhaps you are unread regarding the correlation between violent and bondage pornography and violent crime and sex crime up to murder and serial rape and killing.

Again, the atheist's issue is that sin is for consenting adults only. No, it's sin. Perhaps you might masturbate to torture pornography like de Sade's. Perhaps it makes you vomit instead, like it does other thinking adults. Which are you supporting here?

And at what point do libertarian and libertine freedoms violate the moral conscience of an atheist?
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27-11-2013, 02:46 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 02:40 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 01:59 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  A key point is "Jesus was spanked for us" - He took our punishment for our own sin. A spanked child very easily trusts in Christ, and often at a tender age. If that's a reason you dislike spanking, that's a decision you need to make!
Let's say that I don't believe in Jesus. The evidence for his existence is very weak.
So how can I atone for my sins?
Can I spank someone so that they can take the punishment for my own sins?
This would be great!
Does it matter who? Does it have to be my own child or can it be someone else's?
Does it have to be one person or can it be many?
Can I give one person an almighty beating which can serve as punishment paid for all my future sins or do I need to give out the beatings after each sin?
e.g. I have some lustful thoughts about a sexy woman I see at the beach, does that mean I have to go spank someone as punishment for my own lust?

Well, on what basis does your "faith" say YOU can atone for your sins. Substitutionary atonement is found in Judaism and Christianity. Everyone else has people working to atone for their own sins.

Jesus had no sin and so was qualified to be a sinless lamb/sin offering.

And what are your motivations? The Bible says in Romans "Rarely someone will dare to die, even for a good person. Jesus shows His love for us in that He died for us while were yet His enemies."
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27-11-2013, 02:49 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 02:43 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Are you really this dense? Or is this an act?

Big, strong, God-fearing man that beats his kids so they will respect him and his god will smile down on him.

Impressive.

Don't use 'all' when talking about a group of people unless you actually know that it's all. All Christians aren't polite and all atheists are not mind-numbingly anything. You know better PJ. You are slipping and further damaging your already flimsy credibility.

Anjele, I've preached publicly for over 20 years. Mainly on college and university campuses. Each person who self-identified as a born again Christian presented themselves with class, tact, and self-respect--enough to show respect to others. The atheists all had cures words and invective and ad homs and etc.

We're far afield from the original thread topic, but I can certainly say if you watch some preaching on campus you'll learn things, even if it's how not to talk to people whether from a bitter atheist or a loony preacher-type.
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27-11-2013, 02:50 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 02:40 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 02:32 PM)Chas Wrote:  He is. It shows the abysmally low level of his thinking.

When you answer like this with tiny ad hom snippets meant to degrade another man, Chas, you wonder why I Godwin you?

You accuse me of promoting a book of abuse. Some of the most vile and disgusting comments I've ever heard people say to another are all across the "thinking" forum. Have you ever told someone to reign it in at all who wasn't a theist? In any measure?

And when you did, did you employ a double standard?

It is a book that advocates abuse of children. You support it.

I have committed no ad hominem fallacy, I am simply calling you out as an advocate of an abuse manual.

Yes, I have disagreed with non-theists and told them to rein it in; there is no double standard.
It is just that the theists tend to have poor critical thinking skills and disgusting views on ethics and morality.

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27-11-2013, 02:52 PM
RE: To train up a child
Wow. How awful. Don't know what to say but this is disgusting. It's just as repulsive as the bible.

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27-11-2013, 02:53 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 02:44 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 02:34 PM)Chas Wrote:  No, it is not. The difference is consent between adults versus the abuse of children.
I don't actually expect you to understand that.

Violent pornography is inappropriate for even consenting adults. Perhaps you are unread regarding the correlation between violent and bondage pornography and violent crime and sex crime up to murder and serial rape and killing.

Again, the atheist's issue is that sin is for consenting adults only. No, it's sin. Perhaps you might masturbate to torture pornography like de Sade's. Perhaps it makes you vomit instead, like it does other thinking adults. Which are you supporting here?

And at what point do libertarian and libertine freedoms violate the moral conscience of an atheist?

I much prefer erotic books to porn and I have a limit of how much violence I can handle, but I don't judge people who like it (It's funny I have this itch in the back of my brain telling me you're the one who shouldn't be judging people). Every real study I have read says the correlation is either inconsistent or non-existent. The only places I've seen that say there is for certain a real correlation are websites that also endorse nonsensical books such as the bible or the quran.
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27-11-2013, 02:58 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 02:31 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 02:18 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  Wtf are you comparing child abuse to consensual sexual fetish between adults?

We can argue about porn, but violent porn that debases people is an outrage and de Sade reveled in it and published and created it. Abuse can be:

*physical
*mental
*verbal
*sexual
*etc.

and the comparison is valid.
Fetishes don't qualify as abuse as long as it's consenting and it DOESN'T HARM ANYONE.
Often, fetishes are shared through media and are not enacted in real life, sometimes they are, but it's often not against someone's will. (There are exceptions but fetishes =/= abuse)

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27-11-2013, 02:59 PM (This post was last modified: 27-11-2013 03:29 PM by Anjele.)
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 02:49 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 02:43 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Are you really this dense? Or is this an act?

Big, strong, God-fearing man that beats his kids so they will respect him and his god will smile down on him.

Impressive.

Don't use 'all' when talking about a group of people unless you actually know that it's all. All Christians aren't polite and all atheists are not mind-numbingly anything. You know better PJ. You are slipping and further damaging your already flimsy credibility.

Anjele, I've preached publicly for over 20 years. Mainly on college and university campuses. Each person who self-identified as a born again Christian presented themselves with class, tact, and self-respect--enough to show respect to others. The atheists all had cures words and invective and ad homs and etc.

We're far afield from the original thread topic, but I can certainly say if you watch some preaching on campus you'll learn things, even if it's how not to talk to people whether from a bitter atheist or a loony preacher-type.

Back to the 'all' issue again.

And are you so divinely inspired that you know for fact that those who self-identify are actually born again? You don't think that during your many, many years of preaching that not one lied to you? There was never a case of being swept up in the emotion or following the crowd. Because someone said the words you wanted to hear does that prove beyond all doubt that their words are true?

English 101 - don't use all or none. Stop into a class while on one of those many campuses and refresh your memory on using absolutes where they don't belong.

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27-11-2013, 03:02 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 02:44 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 02:34 PM)Chas Wrote:  No, it is not. The difference is consent between adults versus the abuse of children.
I don't actually expect you to understand that.

Violent pornography is inappropriate for even consenting adults. Perhaps you are unread regarding the correlation between violent and bondage pornography and violent crime and sex crime up to murder and serial rape and killing.

Again, the atheist's issue is that sin is for consenting adults only. No, it's sin. Perhaps you might masturbate to torture pornography like de Sade's. Perhaps it makes you vomit instead, like it does other thinking adults. Which are you supporting here?

And at what point do libertarian and libertine freedoms violate the moral conscience of an atheist?

Correlation is not causation, so you fail there. Your lack of critical thinking skills becomes more apparent with every post.

We are not talking about 'sin' or pornography, but consent.

You advocate the use of violence to bend children to your will, to train them as you would beasts.

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