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27-11-2013, 03:41 PM
RE: To train up a child
Not worth my time. I spent enough years with abusive parents when I didn't have a choice. I choose not to deal with abusers now. That includes you.

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27-11-2013, 03:41 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 03:17 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 02:46 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Well, on what basis does your "faith" say YOU can atone for your sins. Substitutionary atonement is found in Judaism and Christianity. Everyone else has people working to atone for their own sins.
If sin means doing the wrong thing. The amoralists (moral nihilists) are incapable of sin because they don't accept anything as being wrong.

(27-11-2013 02:46 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Jesus had no sin and so was qualified to be a sinless lamb/sin offering.
Was Jesus an amoralist? Good for him.
(27-11-2013 02:46 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  And what are your motivations? The Bible says in Romans "Rarely someone will dare to die, even for a good person. Jesus shows His love for us in that He died for us while were yet His enemies."
I guess this means that we can assert that "someone dies for us" even if they are put to death for a crime against their will. Certainly Jesus didn't comitt suicide did he?
So if I pick an amoral person who has been put to death for a crime then I can claim that he/she died for me. It doesn't seem to be important that this person has never met or known me or be alive during my lifetime. Maybe Charles Manson, or Mao Si Tung, they died for me so that I can enjoy sin.
Although, I must say, as an amoralist myself, I am incapable of sin, so I don't need to make a claim that someone else died for my sins.
Oooh this theology thing is so cool, how it can be twisted and spun.
I now need to work out how to make money off it. Maybe publish a book on how to bring up children without spanking them.

I'm unsure that I follow your argument, although I can assert it is far removed from the purpose of this thread.

Did Mao die for you specifically? Did he die for you because you are a good person? In what way did Mao die for you? Please tell me more or else let's stick to this thread's ideas.
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27-11-2013, 03:41 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 03:38 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 03:11 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  You do know de Sade was born in the 1700's, right? Have you actually read his work?

I figured as much....
Shoo fly!

I've read a little de Sade, and a little about those of his ilk like the mass murderer Gilles de Rais. I do know that we'd find his particular brand of bondage porn tame compared with today's.

But I will note the irony that Chas is condemning me for promoting an abuse manual--without ever posting once that what he's attempting to condemn is what he would call sadism--the harming of others to promote one's pleasure.

You, too, are condemning spanking--my kind of spanking--as sadism while you have a de Sade quote on your signature? Or is it only okay for adult sadists to torture other adults for pleasure?
What goes on between consensual adults is their business and none of yours
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27-11-2013, 03:42 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 03:37 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 03:25 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  My views do not tolerate violence pornography. Yours do. Again, a double standard.

PS. You wrote "theists" not "fundamentalists". You've just written that 95% of the world has poor critical thinking skills and disgusting views on ethics. I hope you mistyped, Chas, and want to retract your statement.

If not, it's no wonder that Christians agree with the Bible's statements regarding the pride of atheists. You just looked down your nose at most people who've ever lived!

The world is not 95% theist. And every theist is delusional.

Only 80% of those you are superior to are disgusting and lack critical thinking skills? Is your elitism limited to say, only 80%?

I wrote what I did because I see you did not retract your elitist and uninformed statements regarding most people who've ever lived.
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27-11-2013, 03:45 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 03:40 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 03:38 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  I've read a little de Sade, and a little about those of his ilk like the mass murderer Gilles de Rais. I do know that we'd find his particular brand of bondage porn tame compared with today's.

But I will note the irony that Chas is condemning me for promoting an abuse manual--without ever posting once that what he's attempting to condemn is what he would call sadism--the harming of others to promote one's pleasure.

You, too, are condemning spanking--my kind of spanking--as sadism while you have a de Sade quote on your signature? Or is it only okay for adult sadists to torture other adults for pleasure?

Look here, asshole - we are not discussing sadism or pornography here. You are doing your usual dishonest, cowardly deflection routine.

Cut the crap.

I'm certainly trying, and I not only relish the original purpose of this thread, but have responded to most posts. Yours as well--and this last one, too--despite the fact that you cursed your fellow man.

What is pertinent is your double standard. You are judging a book and mainly by its cover--then again, you're not well read in the scriptures either. Am I wrong? After all, the scriptural methods of child rearing are on trial here.

As a side bar, I've asked you several times now if you indulge in sadism or sadistic pornography. You needn't answer but I've noted your reticence.

And I forgive you for calling me a name. Jesus loves you.
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27-11-2013, 03:46 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 03:41 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Not worth my time. I spent enough years with abusive parents when I didn't have a choice. I choose not to deal with abusers now. That includes you.

And again, my invite stands to call you privately or Skype and discuss my child raising methods--so we can disabuse you of the notion that I am an abuser.
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27-11-2013, 03:47 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 03:42 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 03:37 PM)Chas Wrote:  The world is not 95% theist. And every theist is delusional.

Only 80% of those you are superior to are disgusting and lack critical thinking skills? Is your elitism limited to say, only 80%?

I wrote what I did because I see you did not retract your elitist and uninformed statements regarding most people who've ever lived.

Elitist? No, rational and informed by reason and evidence, unlike your delusional ravings.

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27-11-2013, 03:48 PM
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27-11-2013, 03:49 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 03:46 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 03:41 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Not worth my time. I spent enough years with abusive parents when I didn't have a choice. I choose not to deal with abusers now. That includes you.

And again, my invite stands to call you privately or Skype and discuss my child raising methods--so we can disabuse you of the notion that I am an abuser.

Then disavow the abuse manual you regard so highly.

Until you do so, you are complicit in child abuse and deaths.

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27-11-2013, 03:49 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 03:41 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 03:38 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  I've read a little de Sade, and a little about those of his ilk like the mass murderer Gilles de Rais. I do know that we'd find his particular brand of bondage porn tame compared with today's.

But I will note the irony that Chas is condemning me for promoting an abuse manual--without ever posting once that what he's attempting to condemn is what he would call sadism--the harming of others to promote one's pleasure.

You, too, are condemning spanking--my kind of spanking--as sadism while you have a de Sade quote on your signature? Or is it only okay for adult sadists to torture other adults for pleasure?
What goes on between consensual adults is their business and none of yours
Shoo fly!

What goes on privately, yes, and certainly.

However, calling some of the poor, adled, beaten, prostituted, drug-abusing wretches who perform for bondage videos and magazines "consenting adults" is a stretch. A stand against pornography is a stand for the mental and physical health of pornography actors, and perhaps we should elevate their needs above our own sexual needs for a change as a culture. What do you say? Will you take a stand to help others?
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