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27-11-2013, 03:52 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 03:47 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 03:42 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Only 80% of those you are superior to are disgusting and lack critical thinking skills? Is your elitism limited to say, only 80%?

I wrote what I did because I see you did not retract your elitist and uninformed statements regarding most people who've ever lived.

Elitist? No, rational and informed by reason and evidence, unlike your delusional ravings.

Yes, but you can hardly say you are "rational" and that most other people are not only delusional but--how did you put it? "Morally and ethically disgusting" and "lacking critical thinking skills" in the same breath.

If your stance is typical of atheists everywhere, there's a real problem. Not to acknowledge at least SOME theists as morally upstanding, having full mental faculties and etc. How many PhD's who are theists do you despise?

It sure sounds like ALL of them.
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27-11-2013, 03:52 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 03:49 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 03:41 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  What goes on between consensual adults is their business and none of yours
Shoo fly!

What goes on privately, yes, and certainly.

However, calling some of the poor, adled, beaten, prostituted, drug-abusing wretches who perform for bondage videos and magazines "consenting adults" is a stretch. A stand against pornography is a stand for the mental and physical health of pornography actors, and perhaps we should elevate their needs above our own sexual needs for a change as a culture. What do you say? Will you take a stand to help others?
Oh please, you don't actually believe that. You just don't like what they're doing. Don't try to twist this.

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27-11-2013, 03:54 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 03:49 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 03:46 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  And again, my invite stands to call you privately or Skype and discuss my child raising methods--so we can disabuse you of the notion that I am an abuser.

Then disavow the abuse manual you regard so highly.

Until you do so, you are complicit in child abuse and deaths.

I would appear on camera to explain the Pearls' methods in context, not to disavow my knowledge of or endorsement of them... I posted the link to the Pearls' book online and friends wrote, "Cool!" and "Thanks!" - unlike me, these are some of the softest-spoken and gentlest people you'll ever, ever meet--and they spank their kids.

I'd be interested to know how many non-theists and non-Christians alike are using the Pearls' book--from the publication stats, likely hundreds of thousands or more.
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27-11-2013, 03:56 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 03:52 PM)Question Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 03:49 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  What goes on privately, yes, and certainly.

However, calling some of the poor, adled, beaten, prostituted, drug-abusing wretches who perform for bondage videos and magazines "consenting adults" is a stretch. A stand against pornography is a stand for the mental and physical health of pornography actors, and perhaps we should elevate their needs above our own sexual needs for a change as a culture. What do you say? Will you take a stand to help others?
Oh please, you don't actually believe that. You just don't like what they're doing. Don't try to twist this.

I don't actually believe that a large plurality if not majority of people who visit casting couches and are sexualized, and then appear on camera having sex with total strangers aren't desperate for money, or runaways, or hungry for affection, or come from homes where they were molested, or were lied to in Hollywood or elsewhere, etc? Oh, but I do.
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27-11-2013, 03:58 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 03:56 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 03:52 PM)Question Wrote:  Oh please, you don't actually believe that. You just don't like what they're doing. Don't try to twist this.

I don't actually believe that a large plurality if not majority of people who visit casting couches and are sexualized, and then appear on camera having sex with total strangers aren't desperate for money, or runaways, or hungry for affection, or come from homes where they were molested, or were lied to in Hollywood or elsewhere, etc? Oh, but I do.
Oh pardon me if I don't trust the opinion of a child abuser, where's your peer reviewed research that isn't from the 1700's?

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27-11-2013, 04:11 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 02:35 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Why not PROVE THE BIBLE WRONG and behave respectfully and decently going forward?

I thought the bible couldn't be proven wrong… Dodgy Maybe you need to start taking your kids elsewhere. The atheists and religious seem to have no problem coexisting in my neighborhood. I play in a band with two Mormons. I teach guitar lessons to a few home-schooled hard-core Christian kids. The Jewish guy who runs a pizza shop loves to shoot the breeze. Nobody bites, nobody fights. Things that make you go 'hmmm...'

(27-11-2013 02:35 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Don't confuse "stereotype" with "typify" or the ever-scientific "classify". My kids heard, like other kids, debates in the fields of knowledge between atheists and Christians. But they SAW and FELT what an atheist grows to be.

I'm not accusing you or mocking you, but I can speak from a long-held vantage point that granted me some real perspective.

I'm sorry that's your perspective.

If Jesus died for our sins, why is there still sin? If man was created from dust, why is there still dust? If Americans came from Europe, why are there still Europeans?
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27-11-2013, 04:17 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 02:40 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 02:32 PM)Chas Wrote:  He is. It shows the abysmally low level of his thinking.

When you answer like this with tiny ad hom snippets meant to degrade another man, Chas, you wonder why I Godwin you?

You accuse me of promoting a book of abuse. Some of the most vile and disgusting comments I've ever heard people say to another are all across the "thinking" forum. Have you ever told someone to reign it in at all who wasn't a theist? In any measure?

And when you did, did you employ a double standard?

Actually he has. Chas doesn't care if you are an atheist or theist. He only cares if you are an asshole. Chippy, a staunch atheist, gets repeatedly reamed out by Chas for being a dick. So there goes your theory there, PJ.

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27-11-2013, 04:20 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 02:40 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 01:59 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  A key point is "Jesus was spanked for us" - He took our punishment for our own sin. A spanked child very easily trusts in Christ, and often at a tender age. If that's a reason you dislike spanking, that's a decision you need to make!
Let's say that I don't believe in Jesus. The evidence for his existence is very weak.
So how can I atone for my sins?
Can I spank someone so that they can take the punishment for my own sins?
This would be great!
Does it matter who? Does it have to be my own child or can it be someone else's?
Does it have to be one person or can it be many?
Can I give one person an almighty beating which can serve as punishment paid for all my future sins or do I need to give out the beatings after each sin?
e.g. I have some lustful thoughts about a sexy woman I see at the beach, does that mean I have to go spank someone as punishment for my own lust?





sorry - couldn't resist!

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27-11-2013, 04:30 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 03:41 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 03:17 PM)Stevil Wrote:  If sin means doing the wrong thing. The amoralists (moral nihilists) are incapable of sin because they don't accept anything as being wrong.

Was Jesus an amoralist? Good for him.
I guess this means that we can assert that "someone dies for us" even if they are put to death for a crime against their will. Certainly Jesus didn't comitt suicide did he?
So if I pick an amoral person who has been put to death for a crime then I can claim that he/she died for me. It doesn't seem to be important that this person has never met or known me or be alive during my lifetime. Maybe Charles Manson, or Mao Si Tung, they died for me so that I can enjoy sin.
Although, I must say, as an amoralist myself, I am incapable of sin, so I don't need to make a claim that someone else died for my sins.
Oooh this theology thing is so cool, how it can be twisted and spun.
I now need to work out how to make money off it. Maybe publish a book on how to bring up children without spanking them.

I'm unsure that I follow your argument, although I can assert it is far removed from the purpose of this thread.

Did Mao die for you specifically? Did he die for you because you are a good person? In what way did Mao die for you? Please tell me more or else let's stick to this thread's ideas.

You don't follow his argument because you have a low IQ. Not because he was inarticulate.

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27-11-2013, 04:36 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 03:56 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 03:52 PM)Question Wrote:  Oh please, you don't actually believe that. You just don't like what they're doing. Don't try to twist this.

I don't actually believe that a large plurality if not majority of people who visit casting couches and are sexualized, and then appear on camera having sex with total strangers aren't desperate for money, or runaways, or hungry for affection, or come from homes where they were molested, or were lied to in Hollywood or elsewhere, etc? Oh, but I do.

Jenna Jamieson, a successful porn star, stated that she did not have a troubled childhood. Now, while there are some that have, there are some that haven't.

Are you trying to make the correlation between actors/actresses in the adult industry (a BILLION dollar industry I might add and Its not just the atheist's watching it neither) and troubled childhoods? Because its a weak one.

You might as well make the correlation between those who join the military and troubled childhoods with the same result.

You are starting with the assumption that the porn industry is wrong. Nay nay. Those are consenting adults, engaging in an activity, wherein the consumer buys the footage of that activity. Period. Some porn stars are married. Some are not. I might not choose that same lifestyle for myself, but hey, at least they are honest.

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