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27-11-2013, 04:40 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 03:49 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 03:41 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  What goes on between consensual adults is their business and none of yours
Shoo fly!

What goes on privately, yes, and certainly.

However, calling some of the poor, adled, beaten, prostituted, drug-abusing wretches who perform for bondage videos and magazines "consenting adults" is a stretch. A stand against pornography is a stand for the mental and physical health of pornography actors, and perhaps we should elevate their needs above our own sexual needs for a change as a culture. What do you say? Will you take a stand to help others?

I don't need porn to get off. Real life works just fine.

You advocate beating a child into submission -- big difference and another thing, if you're so unhappy with this place you can just leave it.

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27-11-2013, 04:42 PM (This post was last modified: 27-11-2013 04:53 PM by Cathym112.)
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 03:49 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 03:41 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  What goes on between consensual adults is their business and none of yours
Shoo fly!

What goes on privately, yes, and certainly.

However, calling some of the poor, adled, beaten, prostituted, drug-abusing wretches who perform for bondage videos and magazines "consenting adults" is a stretch. A stand against pornography is a stand for the mental and physical health of pornography actors, and perhaps we should elevate their needs above our own sexual needs for a change as a culture. What do you say? Will you take a stand to help others?

How do you know she is beaten, or poor, or prostituted, or drug-abusing? Do you know the performer personally? All you see her performance, you do not see her life. (anymore than I know Tom Hanks as a person because I saw him in a movie. His personal life and personality portrayed on screen I'm sure is not the same as who he is in his private life). Is she uttering the code word to stop the hitting? You are making a lot of assumptions here about an actor/actress on camera that you do not personally know. You understand that porn does not actually depict real interactions between people, right? You understand that normal sexual interaction does not generally including standing on your head to fuck? And you know that those "orgasms" you hear aren't really orgasms, right?





And someone's desires for S&M isn't deranged just because it doesn't fit into your narrow sexuality. Just like anal/oral sex isn't reserved for gay people. straight people engage in this type of consensual activity too. The key word here is consent. You do not have the consent of your children to hit them.

Speaking of code words….did your kids get to tell you to stop spanking them after your 25th time? Or did you keep going….against their CONSENT?

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27-11-2013, 04:44 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 03:38 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 03:11 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  You do know de Sade was born in the 1700's, right? Have you actually read his work?

I figured as much....
Shoo fly!

I've read a little de Sade, and a little about those of his ilk like the mass murderer Gilles de Rais. I do know that we'd find his particular brand of bondage porn tame compared with today's.

But I will note the irony that Chas is condemning me for promoting an abuse manual--without ever posting once that what he's attempting to condemn is what he would call sadism--the harming of others to promote one's pleasure.

You, too, are condemning spanking--my kind of spanking--as sadism while you have a de Sade quote on your signature? Or is it only okay for adult sadists to torture other adults for pleasure?

You are being intentionally obtuse. Pornography is acting. It is not real life.
Sexual acts between consenting adults is not comparable to child abuse.
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27-11-2013, 04:50 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 04:42 PM)Cathym112 Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 03:49 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  What goes on privately, yes, and certainly.

However, calling some of the poor, adled, beaten, prostituted, drug-abusing wretches who perform for bondage videos and magazines "consenting adults" is a stretch. A stand against pornography is a stand for the mental and physical health of pornography actors, and perhaps we should elevate their needs above our own sexual needs for a change as a culture. What do you say? Will you take a stand to help others?

How do you know she is beaten, or poor, or prostituted, or drug-abusing? All you see is her getting tied up. Is she uttering the code word to stop the hitting? You are making a lot of assumptions here about an actor/actress on camera that you do not personally know. How do you know they aren't acting??

And someone's desires for S&M isn't deranged just because it doesn't fit into your narrow sexuality. Just like anal/oral sex isn't reserved for gay people. straight people engage in this type of consensual activity too. The key word here is consent. You do not have the consent of your children to hit them.

Speaking of code words….did your kids get to tell you to stop spanking them after your 25th time? Or did you keep going….against their CONSENT?

I doubt he gave them a safe-word. Wink


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27-11-2013, 04:54 PM
RE: To train up a child
Moms -

I think the video is apt, don't you think??

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27-11-2013, 05:06 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 03:41 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Did Mao die for you specifically? Did he die for you because you are a good person? In what way did Mao die for you? Please tell me more or else let's stick to this thread's ideas.
You asserted that Jesus died and that this gives you reason to spank children.
(27-11-2013 01:59 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  A key point is "Jesus was spanked for us" - He took our punishment for our own sin. A spanked child very easily trusts in Christ, and often at a tender age. If that's a reason you dislike spanking, that's a decision you need to make!
I'm trying to make sense of what you said. But it seems nonsensical.
The story goes that Jesus was killed by the Romans. Jesus didn't kill himself, he didn't die for me because I didn't even exist at the time and I don't benefit from his death.
How was his death any different from the death of anyone else that supposedly lived and died?
You say that Jesus was without sin, but there is a great deal of people whom are without sin.
You ask me if Mao died specifically for me, well Mao didn't know me and neither did Jesus. I didn't benefit personally from the alleged death of either of these figures.
You say that spanked children easily trust Jesus, so does that mean that spanked children easily trust Mao?

I'm not following how Jesus's alleged death relates to spanked children.
Are you able to clarify in a way that makes sense?
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27-11-2013, 05:08 PM
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 04:54 PM)Cathym112 Wrote:  Moms -

I think the video is apt, don't you think??

Thumbsup I loved that movie. But yes actors and actresses playing a role.
I really don't watch porn or look at magazines...

I like the written word.


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27-11-2013, 06:14 PM (This post was last modified: 27-11-2013 06:22 PM by sporehux.)
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 03:02 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(27-11-2013 02:44 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Violent pornography is inappropriate for even consenting adults. Perhaps you are unread regarding the correlation between violent and bondage pornography and violent crime and sex crime up to murder and serial rape and killing.

Again, the atheist's issue is that sin is for consenting adults only. No, it's sin. Perhaps you might masturbate to torture pornography like de Sade's. Perhaps it makes you vomit instead, like it does other thinking adults. Which are you supporting here?

And at what point do libertarian and libertine freedoms violate the moral conscience of an atheist?

Correlation is not causation, so you fail there. Your lack of critical thinking skills becomes more apparent with every post.

We are not talking about 'sin' or pornography, but consent.

You advocate the use of violence to bend children to your will, to train them as you would beasts.

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Exactly, I specifically brought my children up to "Not Obey",
I detested the "do it or else" "because I said so" bullshit I had to grow up with.
I instilled with them the idea that they are to obey nobody with out good reason.
There have been no instances in 17 years that this method has been a problem.
They cleanup because they see the rational reason for it, they are respectful to people because of empathy.
They follow teachers instructions because they understand they are there to educated them.

OBEY is a bullshit word.... (submit to the authority).. its evil, immoral and its all training a child is trying to accomplish

In my mind, not being trained to obey helps them resist child predators, harmful peer pressure. and I'm
positive they would walk out of a Milgram experiment in disgust http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

People are not sheep. and should not be indoctrinated to "follow"

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27-11-2013, 07:46 PM
RE: To train up a child
(26-11-2013 08:15 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Gay marriage is legal in states, which does not imply it's moral correctness.

Fuck you and your bullshit delusions of "moral correctness".

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27-11-2013, 08:14 PM (This post was last modified: 27-11-2013 09:09 PM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: To train up a child
(27-11-2013 01:38 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Yes, we have a large prison population. Yes, we are likely reaping what we've sown for our vast exports of slavery, pornography and alcohol to other countries.

Most of our convicts are in prison for alcohol-related offenses. What is helping them and reducing the recitivism rate is Christian outreach.

No, I don't make up missionary friends. People I "grew up with" as a Christian are living and serving in Spain, India, Germany, etc. and as I mentioned, my family supports three other families in Asia and Africa.

Dude, you are such a lying shit. We didn't export slaves, we imported them wholesale. We import far more alcohol than we export. Also, what's the problem with porn? Of right, you think basically it's modern slavery being run by the mafia; taking a small extreme and pretending it represents the whole industry. Do you know which state has the highest pornography usage? Utah, the seat of Mormonism, followed by the rest of the Bible belt. Methinks someone is try, and failing, to suppress natural (and harmless) human desires and drives.

Also, going 'Christian' is anything from a good check-mark to a requirement to getting through a parole board. If it meant getting out of prison faster, I'd pretend and give lip service to Jesus too. Does that actually make me (or any of them) a Christian? What do you think?

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Gee, does that graph line up with the prohibition of alcohol or a massive increase in it's consumption? Nope, but it does match the start of the 'War on Drugs' and the privatization of prisons!

Here are statistics from 2012 for the Federal prison system.

Types of Offenses.
Drug Offenses: 100,114 (50.1 %)
Weapons, Explosives, Arson: 30,723 (15.4 %)
Immigration: 21,841 (10.9 %)
Robbery: 7,678 (3.8 %)
Burglary, Larceny, Property Offenses: 7,668 (3.8 %)
Extortion, Fraud, Bribery: 10,810 (5.4 %)
Homicide, Aggravated Assault, and Kidnapping Offenses: 5,614 (2.8 %)
Miscellaneous: 1,562 (0.8 %)
Sex Offenses: 11,826 (5.9 %)
Banking and Insurance, Counterfeit, Embezzlement: 792 (0.4 %)
Courts or Corrections: 626 (0.3 %)
Continuing Criminal Enterprise: 477 (0.2 %)
National Security: 79 (0.0 %)

http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp#4



Violent and nonviolent crime
7.9% of sentenced prisoners in federal prisons on September 30, 2009 were in for violent crimes. 52.4% of sentenced prisoners in state prisons at year end 2008 were in for violent crimes. 21.6% of convicted inmates in jails in 2002 (latest available data by type of offense) were in for violent crimes. Among unconvicted inmates in jails in 2002, 34% had a violent offense as the most serious charge. 41% percent of convicted and unconvicted jail inmates in 2002 had a current or prior violent offense; 46% were nonviolent recidivists.

From 2000 to 2008, the state prison population increased by 159,200 prisoners, and violent offenders accounted for 60% of this increase. The number of drug offenders in state prisons declined by 12,400 over this period. Furthermore, while the number of sentenced violent offenders in state prison increased from 2000 through 2008, the expected length of stays for these offenders declined slightly during this period.

Violent crime was not responsible for the quadrupling of the incarcerated population in the United States from 1980 to 2003. Violent crime rates had been relatively constant or declining over those decades. The prison population was increased primarily by public policy changes causing more prison sentences and lengthening time served, e.g. through mandatory minimum sentencing, "three strikes" laws, and reductions in the availability of parole or early release. These policies were championed as protecting the public from serious and violent offenders, but instead yielded high rates of confinement for nonviolent offenders. Nearly three quarters of new admissions to state prison were convicted of nonviolent crimes. 49 percent of sentenced state inmates were held for violent offenses. Perhaps the single greatest force behind the growth of the prison population has been the national "war on drugs." The number of incarcerated drug offenders has increased twelvefold since 1980. In 2000, 22 percent of those in federal and state prisons were convicted on drug charges.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarcerati...lent_crime

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