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03-12-2013, 02:48 PM
RE: To train up a child
(03-12-2013 02:42 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Correlation is not causality, there are testimonies of people who stopped exercising and eating right because they hated it also. Christianity doesn't lose its moral fiber or its lustre because some people dropped out.

People drop out because they realize that there isn't as much moral fiber in the fairy tale as they were taught as children.
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03-12-2013, 02:49 PM
RE: To train up a child
(02-12-2013 03:57 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 03:51 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  I don't follow. There are many, many, many things that are normal, normative, educational, fun and helpful that can be abused by taking them too far. Spanking is one. Even praying is one!

Yea well why didn't you compare it to praying then? You compared it to sexual desire or alcohol. Both things, just like spanking, are things that I think are for adults only.

I will gladly take the prayer comparison. Children should be spanked as often as people should pray. Never and never.

You are correct if you believe that we are the main agents of change in this objective reality. You are incorrect in that you limit God's ability to comfort and to provide and to intercede. This flaw will reveal itself over time whether in children becoming adults or in the next world.
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03-12-2013, 02:51 PM
RE: To train up a child
(03-12-2013 02:49 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 03:57 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  Yea well why didn't you compare it to praying then? You compared it to sexual desire or alcohol. Both things, just like spanking, are things that I think are for adults only.

I will gladly take the prayer comparison. Children should be spanked as often as people should pray. Never and never.

You are correct if you believe that we are the main agents of change in this objective reality. You are incorrect in that you limit God's ability to comfort and to provide and to intercede. This flaw will reveal itself over time whether in children becoming adults or in the next world.

God isn't real, love.
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03-12-2013, 02:54 PM
RE: To train up a child
(02-12-2013 04:39 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 03:51 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  I don't follow. There are many, many, many things that are normal, normative, educational, fun and helpful that can be abused by taking them too far. Spanking is one. Even praying is one!

Beating your child with a weapon is FUN??????


You are a SICK FUCK.

I apologize. I should have put "or" instead of commas. There are things that are normal, some of them fun, etc.
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03-12-2013, 02:55 PM
RE: To train up a child
(02-12-2013 05:02 PM)sporehux Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 04:39 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  
Beating your child with a weapon is FUN??????


You are a SICK FUCK.

But remember if you are angry you have to have sex first, one hopes the wife is home.

I note no one has asked me re: praying taken too much or too far. You folks miss many opportunities for engaging dialogue.
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03-12-2013, 02:59 PM
RE: To train up a child
(02-12-2013 05:11 PM)Cathym112 Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 03:42 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Crosby also had a famous temper. In this instance, he's being sadistic. Is it possible that spanking a child benefits them and is not the habit of a pure sadist? You said I'm narrow minded on a recent post--be open-minded here.

are you being deliberately obtuse?!?!?!? I shared this quote in relation to your calmness in spanking in comparison to Bing's calmness. That was the only comparison. Hence why I spoke about the calmness in the sentence above the quote.

I think I'm gonna add you to my ignore list, PJ. You are too frustrating to talk to.

I wasn't being deliberately obtuse. I was defending myself from an allegation of being like Crosby, an abusive child beater. It's possible to be abusive and calm. We both know many people are one but not the other, however.

And we also know Crosby famously lost his temper at others. My wife and I were both calm spankers as were dozens of people in our circles. Are we all madmen and cultic fetish abusers? Of course not.
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03-12-2013, 03:00 PM
RE: To train up a child
(03-12-2013 02:48 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  
(03-12-2013 02:42 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Correlation is not causality, there are testimonies of people who stopped exercising and eating right because they hated it also. Christianity doesn't lose its moral fiber or its lustre because some people dropped out.

People drop out because they realize that there isn't as much moral fiber in the fairy tale as they were taught as children.

Loving your neighbor... giving your enemy food and shelter... serving with all of your might... feeding the poor... taking on orphans and widows as true religion... serving the cause with all of your MIND, strength and heart... there is strong moral fiber in the scriptures. Little in organized religion, I can grant you that.
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03-12-2013, 03:26 PM
RE: To train up a child
(03-12-2013 02:42 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 03:50 PM)Cathym112 Wrote:  1) there is nothing wrong with getting STD testing monthly. thats a smart, and RESPONSIBLE thing to do. I get STD testing yearly. Why? Because even though I am in a monogamous relationship with my husband - I'm not naive. Its possible he wasn't monogamous with me.

2) Provide data that having sex with multiple partners "Ages you prematurely" You making shit up again?

3) Provide data that ALL porn stars experience vaginal and anal tears anymore than a rowdy sexual interaction between monogamous partners?

4) You assume there is something inherently wrong with having sex while other people watch? Its called voyeurism. You watch your wife touch her body sexually? Ding! Thats voyeurism. the bible SAYS NOTHING about voyeurism. And again, you seem to think that these females (and males - I don't know why you excluded the males from these points), do not enjoy their profession. I have a news flash for you. Not everyone WANTS to be in a monogamous relationship. There is a reason that swingers clubs are packed. You do not get to dictate YOUR moral to THEM. In consensual adult relationships, doing what adults do, doesn't harm anyone.

If there are testimonials that a porn star got out of the porn industry and hated it…and therefore all porn is bad, then guess what? There are testimonials of people who get out of their religion/cult because they hated it too, therefore all religion must be bad. Whats your expression? Oh yeah. Checkmate.Laughat

Correlation is not causality,

Funny that YOU would say that. It's something you haven't fully grasped, if at all.



Quote: there are testimonies of people who stopped exercising and eating right because they hated it also. Christianity doesn't lose its moral fiber or its lustre because some people dropped out.

It loses its luster because it's obviously a bullshit fairytale spun to exercise control over the ignorant and credulous.


Quote:In response to the rest of my post, you'd kindly answer my previous questions... Why or why not would you choose to be a porn actor? What impression would your career leave on your children? And if voyeurism isn't bad or porn isn't bad, what would your response be to an adult child who watched your performance? Would you be horrified if they found it stimulating? What is taboo for you?

Why don't you ask a porn actor? There are plenty here on the interwebz who would be happy to explain their choice to you.

PS: obviously you are quite obsessed with pr0n. Haggard's Law seems to be at work here. Just sayin'... Drinking Beverage


Quote:There are secret sins.

There is no such thing as "sin". It's a figment of your imagination.


Quote:Everyone has them. My point is whether porn is harmless or not to you has to do with your freedom, your self-control and your private bedroom, but it is deteriorating to those who do it.

That is your OPINION. Asserted without even a shred of evidence to back it up.


Quote: If you would act in a PG movie to get money fast, why or why not wouldn't you act in a porn film to earn several thousand dollars in a day?

Ask someone in the industry.

(03-12-2013 02:46 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 03:35 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Wrong.
The answer is "none".
Jebus is a figment of your/their imagination. Nothing more.

Show us the polling data for all your assertions, or STFU, okey dokey ?
Tongue

Like other materialists, you seem to have fallen without objective standards into the polling mindset. Polling does not make an item moral or immoral. A is A.

Your "objective standards" are a figment of your imagination. You don't dictate by fiat what is "moral" or "immoral". Neither does your Beligion (YEAH, I stole it TOO FTW!).


(03-12-2013 02:47 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 03:50 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  Well I can't say for certain because I was just a young kid myself back then. If I was my age now (24) then yes. 100% yes. I don't care how "happy" or well behaved a child is(seems) if I know the parents are committing what is legally considered child abuse I absolutely will report them.
As for enforcing moral standards on children I think to extent it can be necessary, but for the most part I really like to teach my kids to think and create their own morals. Kids are so much smarter than some parents give them credit for. I try really hard to guide my children rather than force or enforce.

I see. How about adults. Can we be consistent and say that adults and children alike can create their own morals, mores and moral codes?

We already do. But SOME of us don't try to push ours on others.

(03-12-2013 02:54 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 04:39 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  
Beating your child with a weapon is FUN??????


You are a SICK FUCK.

I apologize. I should have put "or" instead of commas. There are things that are normal, some of them fun, etc.

You think that makes a difference? You are STILL a SICK FUCK.


(03-12-2013 02:55 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 05:02 PM)sporehux Wrote:  But remember if you are angry you have to have sex first, one hopes the wife is home.

I note no one has asked me re: praying taken too much or too far. You folks miss many opportunities for engaging dialogue.

So no one is biting on your bait and giving you an "opportunity to panderytize". Boo fucking hoo.

PS: you spouting gawdshit is not "engaging dialogue".


(03-12-2013 02:59 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 05:11 PM)Cathym112 Wrote:  are you being deliberately obtuse?!?!?!? I shared this quote in relation to your calmness in spanking in comparison to Bing's calmness. That was the only comparison. Hence why I spoke about the calmness in the sentence above the quote.

I think I'm gonna add you to my ignore list, PJ. You are too frustrating to talk to.

I wasn't being deliberately obtuse.

Yes, you were, and you are still.



Quote:I was defending myself from an allegation of being like Crosby, an abusive child beater. It's possible to be abusive and calm. We both know many people are one but not the other, however.

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Quote:And we also know Crosby famously lost his temper at others. My wife and I were both calm spankers

So your abuse was cold-blooded and methodical, guided by your torture manual and your conviction in your mythical sky fairy monster. Check.



Quote:as were dozens of people in our circles. Are we all madmen and cultic fetish abusers?


YES, YOU ARE.


Quote: Of course not.

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(03-12-2013 03:00 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(03-12-2013 02:48 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  People drop out because they realize that there isn't as much moral fiber in the fairy tale as they were taught as children.

Loving your neighbor... giving your enemy food and shelter... serving with all of your might... feeding the poor... taking on orphans and widows...

None of which are the exclusive domain of your batshit religion, or any other, as you tell yourself.


Quote:there is strong moral fiber in the scriptures.

Yeah, I like the part when Lot fucks off his wife when your gawd-character turns her into a pillar of salt for daring to look at his atrocities, then celebrates her death with a weekend drunken fuck-a-thon with their daughters. That's MY kinda STRONG moral fiber, yup yup.Hobo

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03-12-2013, 03:28 PM
RE: To train up a child
(03-12-2013 03:26 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  
(03-12-2013 02:42 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Correlation is not causality,

Funny that YOU would say that. It's something you haven't fully grasped, if at all.



Quote: there are testimonies of people who stopped exercising and eating right because they hated it also. Christianity doesn't lose its moral fiber or its lustre because some people dropped out.

It loses its luster because it's obviously a bullshit fairytale spun to exercise control over the ignorant and credulous.


Quote:In response to the rest of my post, you'd kindly answer my previous questions... Why or why not would you choose to be a porn actor? What impression would your career leave on your children? And if voyeurism isn't bad or porn isn't bad, what would your response be to an adult child who watched your performance? Would you be horrified if they found it stimulating? What is taboo for you?

Why don't you ask a porn actor? There are plenty here on the interwebz who would be happy to explain their choice to you.

PS: obviously you are quite obsessed with pr0n. Haggard's Law seems to be at work here. Just sayin'... Drinking Beverage


Quote:There are secret sins.

There is no such thing as "sin". It's a figment of your imagination.


Quote:Everyone has them. My point is whether porn is harmless or not to you has to do with your freedom, your self-control and your private bedroom, but it is deteriorating to those who do it.

That is your OPINION. Asserted without even a shred of evidence to back it up.


Quote: If you would act in a PG movie to get money fast, why or why not wouldn't you act in a porn film to earn several thousand dollars in a day?

Ask someone in the industry.

(03-12-2013 02:46 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Like other materialists, you seem to have fallen without objective standards into the polling mindset. Polling does not make an item moral or immoral. A is A.

Your "objective standards" are a figment of your imagination. You don't dictate by fiat what is "moral" or "immoral". Neither does your Beligion (YEAH, I stole it TOO FTW!).


(03-12-2013 02:47 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  I see. How about adults. Can we be consistent and say that adults and children alike can create their own morals, mores and moral codes?

We already do. But SOME of us don't try to push ours on others.

(03-12-2013 02:54 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  I apologize. I should have put "or" instead of commas. There are things that are normal, some of them fun, etc.

You think that makes a difference? You are STILL a SICK FUCK.


(03-12-2013 02:55 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  I note no one has asked me re: praying taken too much or too far. You folks miss many opportunities for engaging dialogue.

So no one is biting on your bait and giving you an "opportunity to panderytize". Boo fucking hoo.

PS: you spouting gawdshit is not "engaging dialogue".


(03-12-2013 02:59 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  I wasn't being deliberately obtuse.

Yes, you were, and you are still.



Quote:I was defending myself from an allegation of being like Crosby, an abusive child beater. It's possible to be abusive and calm. We both know many people are one but not the other, however.

[Image: Rottenecards_89392094_kfq4dx9rmc.png]

Quote:And we also know Crosby famously lost his temper at others. My wife and I were both calm spankers

So your abuse was cold-blooded and methodical, guided by your torture manual and your conviction in your mythical sky fairy monster. Check.



Quote:as were dozens of people in our circles. Are we all madmen and cultic fetish abusers?


YES, YOU ARE.


Quote: Of course not.

[Image: Nixon+not+a+crook.jpg]




(03-12-2013 03:00 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Loving your neighbor... giving your enemy food and shelter... serving with all of your might... feeding the poor... taking on orphans and widows...

None of which are the exclusive domain of your batshit religion, or any other, as you tell yourself.


Quote:there is strong moral fiber in the scriptures.

Yeah, I like the part when Lot fucks off his wife when your gawd-character turns her into a pillar of salt for daring to look at his atrocities, then celebrates her death with a weekend drunken fuck-a-thon with their daughters. That's MY kinda STRONG moral fiber, yup yup.Hobo

If you judge via Haggard's Law, you'd be a theist. Perhaps that's where your anger stems from... are you struggling with rejecting your atheist paradigm?
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03-12-2013, 03:33 PM
RE: To train up a child
(03-12-2013 02:55 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 05:02 PM)sporehux Wrote:  But remember if you are angry you have to have sex first, one hopes the wife is home.

I note no one has asked me re: praying taken too much or too far. You folks miss many opportunities for engaging dialogue.

I can't speak for everyone, but I didn't ask because I think prayer is silly.
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