To what extent do we get offended by secular holiday stuff?
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22-11-2015, 09:07 AM (This post was last modified: 22-11-2015 11:56 AM by Anjele.)
RE: To what extent do we get offended by secular holiday stuff?
I go all out for Halloween. I don't do much Christmas decorating any more - I let my kids do all that for their kids.

I set out a couple of things but just to add some season appropriate decor for our family Christmas Eve dinner.

I do put this outside...

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Kind of a tongue-in-cheek response to the man across the street who lights up his yard so brightly that you could land aircraft by the glow.

I recently found out from my older daughter that my son absolutely hates that cactus. So, of course I have devised a plan. Son will be going to his future in-laws for Thanksgiving instead of being here. He recently bought a house. The daughter who let me in on this hatred for Cactus Tex and I are going to put said cactus in his yard late Thanksgiving morning so that it's a surprise when he gets home. Evil_monster

I assume it will find it's way back to my yard. If not, there will be no holiday bling in the yard this year.

See here they are the bruises some were self-inflicted and some showed up along the way. - JF
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22-11-2015, 09:19 AM
RE: To what extent do we get offended by secular holiday stuff?
From Judaism Online :

"How Did Christmas Come to Be Celebrated on December 25?

A. Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration. The festival began when Roman authorities chose “an enemy of the Roman people” to represent the “Lord of Misrule.” Each Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week. At the festival’s conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman.

B. The ancient Greek writer poet and historian Lucian (in his dialogue entitled Saturnalia) describes the festival’s observance in his time. In addition to human sacrifice, he mentions these customs: widespread intoxication; going from house to house while singing naked; rape and other sexual license; and consuming human-shaped biscuits (still produced in some English and most German bakeries during the Christmas season).

C. In the 4th century CE, Christianity imported the Saturnalia festival hoping to take the pagan masses in with it. Christian leaders succeeded in converting to Christianity large numbers of pagans by promising them that they could continue to celebrate the Saturnalia as Christians.[2]

D. The problem was that there was nothing intrinsically Christian about Saturnalia. To remedy this, these Christian leaders named Saturnalia’s concluding day, December 25th, to be Jesus’ birthday.

E. Christians had little success, however, refining the practices of Saturnalia. As Stephen Nissenbaum, professor history at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, writes, “In return for ensuring massive observance of the anniversary of the Savior’s birth by assigning it to this resonant date, the Church for its part tacitly agreed to allow the holiday to be celebrated more or less the way it had always been.” The earliest Christmas holidays were celebrated by drinking, sexual indulgence, singing naked in the streets (a precursor of modern caroling), etc.

F. The Reverend Increase Mather of Boston observed in 1687 that “the early Christians who first observed the Nativity on December 25 did not do so thinking that Christ was born in that Month, but because the Heathens’ Saturnalia was at that time kept in Rome, and they were willing to have those Pagan Holidays metamorphosed into Christian ones.”[3] Because of its known pagan origin, Christmas was banned by the Puritans and its observance was illegal in Massachusetts between 1659 and 1681.[4] However, Christmas was and still is celebrated by most Christians.

G. Some of the most depraved customs of the Saturnalia carnival were intentionally revived by the Catholic Church in 1466 when Pope Paul II, for the amusement of his Roman citizens, forced Jews to race naked through the streets of the city. An eyewitness account reports, “Before they were to run, the Jews were richly fed, so as to make the race more difficult for them and at the same time more amusing for spectators. They ran… amid Rome’s taunting shrieks and peals of laughter, while the Holy Father stood upon a richly ornamented balcony and laughed heartily.”[5]

H. As part of the Saturnalia carnival throughout the 18th and 19th centuries CE, rabbis of the ghetto in Rome were forced to wear clownish outfits and march through the city streets to the jeers of the crowd, pelted by a variety of missiles. When the Jewish community of Rome sent a petition in1836 to Pope Gregory XVI begging him to stop the annual Saturnalia abuse of the Jewish community, he responded, “It is not opportune to make any innovation.”[6] On December 25, 1881, Christian leaders whipped the Polish masses into Anti-Semitic frenzies that led to riots across the country. In Warsaw 12 Jews were brutally murdered, huge numbers maimed, and many Jewish women were raped. Two million rubles worth of property was destroyed.

III. The Origins of Christmas Customs

A. The Origin of Christmas Tree
Just as early Christians recruited Roman pagans by associating Christmas with the Saturnalia, so too worshippers of the Asheira cult and its offshoots were recruited by the Church sanctioning “Christmas Trees”.[7] Pagans had long worshipped trees in the forest, or brought them into their homes and decorated them, and this observance was adopted and painted with a Christian veneer by the Church.

B. The Origin of Mistletoe
Norse mythology recounts how the god Balder was killed using a mistletoe arrow by his rival god Hoder while fighting for the female Nanna. Druid rituals use mistletoe to poison their human sacrificial victim.[8] The Christian custom of “kissing under the mistletoe” is a later synthesis of the sexual license of Saturnalia with the Druidic sacrificial cult.[9]

C. The Origin of Christmas Presents
In pre-Christian Rome, the emperors compelled their most despised citizens to bring offerings and gifts during the Saturnalia (in December) and Kalends (in January). Later, this ritual expanded to include gift-giving among the general populace. The Catholic Church gave this custom a Christian flavor by re-rooting it in the supposed gift-giving of Saint Nicholas (see below).[10]

D. The Origin of Santa Claus

a. Nicholas was born in Parara, Turkey in 270 CE and later became Bishop of Myra. He died in 345 CE on December 6th. He was only named a saint in the 19th century.

b. Nicholas was among the most senior bishops who convened the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE and created the New Testament. The text they produced portrayed Jews as “the children of the devil”[11] who sentenced Jesus to death.

c. In 1087, a group of sailors who idolized Nicholas moved his bones from Turkey to a sanctuary in Bari, Italy. There Nicholas supplanted a female boon-giving deity called The Grandmother, or Pasqua Epiphania, who used to fill the children's stockings with her gifts. The Grandmother was ousted from her shrine at Bari, which became the center of the Nicholas cult. Members of this group gave each other gifts during a pageant they conducted annually on the anniversary of Nicholas’ death, December 6.

d. The Nicholas cult spread north until it was adopted by German and Celtic pagans. These groups worshipped a pantheon led by Woden –their chief god and the father of Thor, Balder, and Tiw. Woden had a long, white beard and rode a horse through the heavens one evening each Autumn. When Nicholas merged with Woden, he shed his Mediterranean appearance, grew a beard, mounted a flying horse, rescheduled his flight for December, and donned heavy winter clothing.

e. In a bid for pagan adherents in Northern Europe, the Catholic Church adopted the Nicholas cult and taught that he did (and they should) distribute gifts on December 25th instead of December 6th.

f. In 1809, the novelist Washington Irving (most famous his The Legend of Sleepy Hollow and Rip Van Winkle) wrote a satire of Dutch culture entitled Knickerbocker History. The satire refers several times to the white bearded, flying-horse riding Saint Nicholas using his Dutch name, Santa Claus.

g. Dr. Clement Moore, a professor at Union Seminary, read Knickerbocker History, and in 1822 he published a poem based on the character Santa Claus: “Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house, not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse. The stockings were hung by the chimney with care, in the hope that Saint Nicholas soon would be there…” Moore innovated by portraying a Santa with eight reindeer who descended through chimneys.

h. The Bavarian illustrator Thomas Nast almost completed the modern picture of Santa Claus. From 1862 through 1886, based on Moore’s poem, Nast drew more than 2,200 cartoon images of Santa for Harper’s Weekly. Before Nast, Saint Nicholas had been pictured as everything from a stern looking bishop to a gnome-like figure in a frock. Nast also gave Santa a home at the North Pole, his workshop filled with elves, and his list of the good and bad children of the world. All Santa was missing was his red outfit.

i. In 1931, the Coca Cola Corporation contracted the Swedish commercial artist Haddon Sundblom to create a coke-drinking Santa. Sundblom modeled his Santa on his friend Lou Prentice, chosen for his cheerful, chubby face. The corporation insisted that Santa’s fur-trimmed suit be bright, Coca Cola red. And Santa was born – a blend of Christian crusader, pagan god, and commercial idol.".

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22-11-2015, 09:34 AM
RE: To what extent do we get offended by secular holiday stuff?
Jeremiah 10:2, “Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen … for they cutteth a tree out of the forest … They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.”

So, any christian putting up a tree is going against god's wishes. You may laugh to yourself or share that tidbit.

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22-11-2015, 09:36 AM (This post was last modified: 22-11-2015 10:39 AM by Hobbitgirl.)
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The people you were speaking to are ridiculous. That's all I have to say.
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22-11-2015, 09:41 AM
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(22-11-2015 06:41 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(22-11-2015 01:24 AM)FreeThinker1994 Wrote:  I was speaking to some other people on campus. They both said that there should be no holiday decorations at all in the student center, unless we want to decorate and celebrate for every holiday of every religion. They kept going back to the fact that these decorations were for Christmas.

Two people may not be a big enough sample but fuck 'em anyway. If you want a decorated tree go for it. They may associate it now with Christmas and Christians but that is their problem; it's a symbol of whatever you want it to be a symbol of.

Put up your tree and hang star of david and crescent moon ornaments on it along with whatever other religious and pagan symbols you can find. Watch their heads explode. It will be fun.

You can only end up on public property keeping it neutral. As soon as something besides the baby Jesus gets put up besides it, those same assholes start bitching about what a "Christian Nation" we are, and "Put Christ back into Christmas".......Nope sorry, freedom of religion DOES NOT work that way. On public property, you agree to let it all in, or you keep the imagery holiday neutral.

But even at the private sector level, while that is more appropriate, if you own a business, your objective is to have the widest buying base you can. So even then, put it all up to draw everyone you can, or keep your adds holiday neutral.

Christians simply like to bitch when others do the same thing. TOO FUCKING BAD. Make a choice, share, or keep it neutral.

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22-11-2015, 10:40 AM
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I put up my plastic Atheistmas Tree yesterday. Since there is no official start or stop to the Atheistmas Season, I can put lights up any damn time I want to. Drinking Beverage

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22-11-2015, 11:47 AM
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I'd rather see the nativity set up across the street every time I drive by it, than to be inundated in my own home with guilt-trippy 'Know your credit score'-, 'Diamond ring'-, 'Craftsman tools'- commercials all over the TV! Undecided If you ain't buying something, you're a humbug!!!! Dodgy

Seriously, tho, unless it's topped with a shining baby jeebus, or got crosses hung all over it, what's solely christian about it?

Besides! Without pretty decorations there wouldn't be any reason for the women folk to leave the end of year get-together so my uncles, brother, cousin in law, & me could sneak in some card gambling, and drinking, while they'z away! Laugh out load Tongue

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22-11-2015, 12:18 PM
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I guess I fail to see why anyone would be offended by a holiday. Drinking Beverage

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22-11-2015, 12:23 PM
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For me, Bucky Ball and Thinkerbelle make the case for putting up a tree without having to invest on any kind of religious belief. Besides where is Santa Claus in the Bible? Smile
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22-11-2015, 12:38 PM
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(22-11-2015 12:18 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  I guess I fail to see why anyone would be offended by a holiday. Drinking Beverage

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I'm offended by your blatant objectificationalism of those hotties.

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