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25-01-2018, 04:56 PM
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January 25th: Happy Birthday, Robert Burns.

He'd be 259, today. Smile

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25-01-2018, 05:21 PM
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(20-01-2018 11:44 AM)kim Wrote:  A double header day! January 20, 1936 - King of England, George V dies AND Edward VIII becomes King of England.

KGV was just avoiding having to deal with Churchill as prime minister.
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26-01-2018, 10:10 PM
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On January 26, 1788, Captain Arthur Phillip guides a fleet of 11 British ships carrying convicts to the colony of New South Wales, effectively founding Australia. After overcoming a period of hardship, the fledgling colony began to celebrate the anniversary of this date with great fanfare.

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31-01-2018, 10:56 AM
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January, 31th, 1943, 75 years ago

Field Marshal Paulus, commander of the german 6th army surrenders to soviet forces (the 6th army never surrendered as a whole, only separate units surrendered between January 30th and February 2nd).

He is leading some 100.000 remaining german and other axis troops (romanian, hungarian, italian) into captivity, of whom 6000 returned until 1956.
Estimates are that the red army took roundabout 1 million casualties during operation Uranus in order to eliminate this threat the 6th army posed (actually the 6th army, parts of 4th tank army, 3rd and 4th romanian army).

On a personal note:
My late granddads brother was part of this. Last thing my family has seen of him was a picture in a newsreel somehwere in autumn 1942.
He was 22y old.

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31-01-2018, 11:05 AM
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I met a German who was at Stalingrad. He spent the next 40 years installing parquet floors in Party favorites' dachas. He slept in the partly finished buildings year 'round.
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31-01-2018, 07:40 PM
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A fascinating piece from "Stalingrad" by Antony Beevor is that few of the German officers died in confinement but something like 95% of the enlisted personnel died.

A comment on Russian communism I think.

In Stalin's defence he may have sacrificed some 20 million of his people but he did much more to defeat the Nazi's than Eisenhower did.
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31-01-2018, 07:45 PM
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(31-01-2018 07:40 PM)JAH Wrote:  In Stalin's defence he may have sacrificed some 20 million of his people but he did much more to defeat the Nazi's than Eisenhower did.

In Eisenhower's defense he signed fewer non-aggression treaties with the Nazis than Stalin did.

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31-01-2018, 11:51 PM
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(31-01-2018 07:40 PM)JAH Wrote:  A fascinating piece from "Stalingrad" by Antony Beevor is that few of the German officers died in confinement but something like 95% of the enlisted personnel died.

Only one german general died in captivity.....of cancer.

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01-02-2018, 04:33 AM
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(31-01-2018 07:45 PM)jerry mcmasters Wrote:  
(31-01-2018 07:40 PM)JAH Wrote:  In Stalin's defence he may have sacrificed some 20 million of his people but he did much more to defeat the Nazi's than Eisenhower did.

In Eisenhower's defense he signed fewer non-aggression treaties with the Nazis than Stalin did.

Germany, England, and France considered the USSR to be a danger to their way of life. Only Germany was an immediate threat to the Soviets. Pragmatism carried the day.
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01-02-2018, 09:09 PM
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(01-02-2018 04:33 AM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  
(31-01-2018 07:45 PM)jerry mcmasters Wrote:  In Eisenhower's defense he signed fewer non-aggression treaties with the Nazis than Stalin did.

Germany, England, and France considered the USSR to be a danger to their way of life. Only Germany was an immediate threat to the Soviets. Pragmatism carried the day.

Maybe pragmatism should have said (Russians to the Germans) "Knock yourself out taking over the rest of the world but Hey don't even think about invading us. We're lined up on the border, we're ready to defend ourselves. We don't need a treaty with you; fuck off."

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