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25-04-2018, 05:28 AM
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Another problem with the Army's effort was the underestimated US forces, both in numbers and in fighting spirit.

Richard B. Frank's book on Starvation Island is a good read. There's a new one on the naval battles, don't have it bookmarked, sorry.
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25-04-2018, 09:39 AM
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(24-04-2018 10:39 PM)jerry mcmasters Wrote:  Yeah the pondering alternate history stuff is interesting. GZ might have some elaboration on this but my understanding of the battles in the Solomon are that they were very improvised, like the Japanese casually threw some guys in, then the Americans did, then the Japanese did a few more, etc. Except the Americans were a bit more in earnest and by the time the Japanese took it seriously it was too late. Reading about Guadalcanal is really stirring stuff.

No, they were a result of an unexpectedly strong reaction from America. The Japanese believed they'd sunk two carriers at Coral Sea, so they went ahead establishing a chain of bases in the Solomons with the goal of interdicting the supply route between America and Australia -- which was also the goal of the New Guinea operations which resulted in Coral Sea, isolating Australia. The Allies recognized the danger.

You're right that their response to Guadalcanal was improvised, but our invasion of Guadalcanal was just as improvisational. The gag name for Watchtower was "Operation Shoestring".

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26-04-2018, 08:26 PM
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(25-04-2018 09:39 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  
(24-04-2018 10:39 PM)jerry mcmasters Wrote:  Yeah the pondering alternate history stuff is interesting. GZ might have some elaboration on this but my understanding of the battles in the Solomon are that they were very improvised, like the Japanese casually threw some guys in, then the Americans did, then the Japanese did a few more, etc. Except the Americans were a bit more in earnest and by the time the Japanese took it seriously it was too late. Reading about Guadalcanal is really stirring stuff.

No, they were a result of an unexpectedly strong reaction from America.

Why the "No"?

Quote: The Japanese believed they'd sunk two carriers at Coral Sea, so they went ahead establishing a chain of bases in the Solomons with the goal of interdicting the supply route between America and Australia -- which was also the goal of the New Guinea operations which resulted in Coral Sea, isolating Australia. The Allies recognized the danger.

You're right that their response to Guadalcanal was improvised, but our invasion of Guadalcanal was just as improvisational.

Not sure where we're disagreeing.

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04-05-2018, 04:31 PM (This post was last modified: 04-05-2018 05:59 PM by Kaneda.)
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May 4, 1970 — Kent State University: The Ohio National Guard opens fire on a group of unarmed students at during a mass protest against the bombing of Cambodia by the US armed forces, killing four and wounding nine others.

The shooting was met with considerable public outrage nationwide, and served to further enervate an already wavering public opinion of the US’s involvement in the Vietnam War.

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04-05-2018, 04:47 PM
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(26-04-2018 08:26 PM)jerry mcmasters Wrote:  
(25-04-2018 09:39 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  No, they were a result of an unexpectedly strong reaction from America.

Why the "No"?

Because while there were elements of improvisation to the actions of both sides, it quickly turned into set-piece organized battles requiring weeks of preparation, on land.

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04-05-2018, 07:35 PM
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(04-05-2018 04:47 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  
(26-04-2018 08:26 PM)jerry mcmasters Wrote:  Why the "No"?

Because while there were elements of improvisation to the actions of both sides,

That's about how I described it.

Quote:it quickly turned into set-piece organized battles requiring weeks of preparation, on land.

Sounds good. Didn't say it didn't.

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05-05-2018, 08:51 AM
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Happy 200th birthday, Karl! Hug

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05-05-2018, 11:15 AM
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(05-05-2018 08:51 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  Happy 200th birthday, Karl! Hug

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07-05-2018, 06:55 PM
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(05-05-2018 11:15 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  
(05-05-2018 08:51 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  Happy 200th birthday, Karl! Hug

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