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01-08-2017, 01:58 PM
RE: Tomi Lahren Admits She Benefits From Obamacare, Still Wants To Nix It
(01-08-2017 01:44 PM)abaris Wrote:  
(01-08-2017 01:41 PM)Hitcher70 Wrote:  I'm not your research assistant.

You made the claim. I looked if it had merit. It doesn't, in most cases. So, on what did you base that claim of yours? That map doesn't cover them all, since many have private insurance that still covers all according to their constitution. Such as India.


What claim did I make? I said 3rd would countries where they don't have universal healthcare as a right. You're not suggesting their aren't some so what does it matter if there is 1 or 100? The principle is the same.

Ok, Haiti. When are you going to agree that Haiti should have Universal Healthcare paid by US taxpayers?

You're simply taking out something inconsequential in the discussion (how many countries don't have universal healthcare as a right) and turning it into something it isn't.
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01-08-2017, 02:02 PM
RE: Tomi Lahren Admits She Benefits From Obamacare, Still Wants To Nix It
(01-08-2017 01:46 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(01-08-2017 01:19 PM)Hitcher70 Wrote:  And they also own the reason for the disincentive to even go into healthcare, the shortage that's causing, the exodus that's causing among providers and the incredible wait times to get procedures done.

What exodus? Physician Numbers Up Under Obamacare

What incredible wait times? The average time to an appointment with a US family practice in 2009 was 20 days; today, it is 19.5 days.

I'm on your side, Girly, but I'm pretty sure he was talking about Canada (not the US) when he made these claims.
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01-08-2017, 02:20 PM
RE: Tomi Lahren Admits She Benefits From Obamacare, Still Wants To Nix It
(01-08-2017 01:19 PM)Hitcher70 Wrote:  So it's no affinity for humanity that you have which makes healthcare a right. It's simply that you find it feasible and draw the limit where you like it, at the border. Well, I don't find it feasible at all. Different limit. Same reasoning.

how would the US provide healthcare in another country exactly? does the US have any jurisdiction in those countries?

Quote:According to you...YES. You don't care about them if they aren't a US Citizen. I guess your position isn't a human ethis one about a right to healthcare after all.

I'm talking about the US and its citizens because the video is about the healthcare problem in the fucking US.

Quote:But what about all of the 3rd world countries. They have people too. Where is their right to free healthcare? It seems awfully unethical of you to just not care. Do you want some of them to die or go bankrupt? Rolleyes
Am I supposed to talk about Thailand's problems when talking about the US's problems ?

Quote:In what decade were we brainwashed into thinking that this is ok? If you and I cros a tax/toll bridge and they say I get to go for $1 because I'm poorer than you and you have to pay $10 because you are a "top income earner"...could you see the problem then?

the top income earners don't spend a larger percent of their incomes as compared to the middle and working class simply due to the fact that there is a limit to the quantity of a commodity's that anyone will buy meaning money stagnates rather than circulating

Quote:And the solution to what was going on between the growth of health insurance and now isn't more nannystate insurance.

then what is the solution that covers more people? because under the ACA more people are insured than before

Quote:really? insurance companies denying coverage for pre-existing conditions
yes, before the ACA unless your health insurance provided by employer covered pre-existing conditions a health insurance company could deny you coverage, charge way more or provide far less coverage in your plans or add limits which made the plans crap in comparison to people who don't have per-existing conditions

Quote:I'm not sure why you think redistribution by the federal government is a solution to this.
because corporations never do it on their own, their objective is to maximize profit while minimizing costs... they won't raise wages unless worker unions can negotiate higher wages or the govt forces them to.

1.Remington, a company which makes gun made a gun with a flaw which caused the gun to fire on its own and fixing it costs less than a dollar yet they didn't fix it and sold it on the market while the flaw was still there
2. Wells Fargo.. recently opened multiple accounts for its account holders without their permission
3. Dupont was caught using a chemical which was banned and said they wouldn't do it again only to be later caught doing it again

and you can easily find more examples like these because these corporations are only concerned with profits and will do these kinds of stuff if they think they can get away with it regardless of who gets hurt.

Why do corporations outsources to foreign countries? because wages are lower there.

Quote:Yes, those industrialized nations do have cost controls. They own the university. They own the hospital. They own the doctor. And they also own the reason for the disincentive to even go into healthcare, the shortage that's causing, the exodus that's causing among providers and the incredible wait times to get procedures done. Universal healthcare and single payor systems are not the panacea. Not even in those homogeneous societies where the overwhelming majority of people want to work rather than sit at home and demand their "rights".
of course they have longer wait times butare people migrating en mass to the over priced healthcare in the US or is it just people who can afford it?

I'm not saying universal coverage is perfect but so far it has performed far better than any free market approach ever did

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01-08-2017, 02:29 PM
RE: Tomi Lahren Admits She Benefits From Obamacare, Still Wants To Nix It
(01-08-2017 02:20 PM)Ace Wrote:  
Quote:really? insurance companies denying coverage for pre-existing conditions

yes, before the ACA unless your health insurance provided by employer covered pre-existing conditions a health insurance company could deny you coverage, charge way more or provide far less coverage in your plans or add limits which made the plans crap in comparison to people who don't have per-existing conditions

Before I go on to address all of your misconceptions...why did you do that?

Why did you create a quote and attribute it to me when I never asked that?
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01-08-2017, 02:44 PM
RE: Tomi Lahren Admits She Benefits From Obamacare, Still Wants To Nix It
(01-08-2017 02:02 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
(01-08-2017 01:46 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  What exodus? Physician Numbers Up Under Obamacare

What incredible wait times? The average time to an appointment with a US family practice in 2009 was 20 days; today, it is 19.5 days.

I'm on your side, Girly, but I'm pretty sure he was talking about Canada (not the US) when he made these claims.

Ah, but why use Canada? Why not use Denmark or Sweden? Their wait times are comparable to the US and their systems are socialized. Hell, Denmark's model even limits the role of the central government and gives ownership and responsibility to local communities where the healthcare costs are primarily funded by local taxes. Sounds like putting health care in the hands of the States to me. How come our politicians are reluctant to even discuss looking at successful implementations of socialized medicine? Are they afraid it might work?

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01-08-2017, 02:47 PM
RE: Tomi Lahren Admits She Benefits From Obamacare, Still Wants To Nix It
(01-08-2017 02:20 PM)Ace Wrote:  how would the US provide healthcare in another country exactly? does the US have any jurisdiction in those countries?

You pay doctors to go provide it. All it takes is taxpayer money.



Quote:I'm talking about the US and its citizens because the video is about the healthcare problem in the fucking US.

ooo...testy. Haitians are people too. Why don't they have a right to healthcare? Do you want them to die or go bankrupt?


Quote:Am I supposed to talk about Thailand's problems when talking about the US's problems ?

So, again, it's not really whether or not healthcare is a right for humans in general.




Quote:the top income earners don't spend a larger percent of their incomes as compared to the middle and working class simply due to the fact that there is a limit to the quantity of a commodity's that anyone will buy meaning money stagnates rather than circulating

So it's ok to take it away from them? Stalin, is that you?


Quote:then what is the solution that covers more people? because under the ACA more people are insured than before

The solution is less coverage and insurance to return to being insrance and not a 3rd party payor system.

[deceptive BS removed]

Quote:because corporations never do it on their own, their objective is to maximize profit while minimizing costs... they won't raise wages unless worker unions can negotiate higher wages or the govt forces them to.

1.Remington, a company which makes gun made a gun with a flaw which caused the gun to fire on its own and fixing it costs less than a dollar yet they didn't fix it and sold it on the market while the flaw was still there
2. Wells Fargo.. recently opened multiple accounts for its account holders without their permission
3. Dupont was caught using a chemical which was banned and said they wouldn't do it again only to be later caught doing it again

and you can easily find more examples like these because these corporations are only concerned with profits and will do these kinds of stuff if they think they can get away with it regardless of who gets hurt.

Why do corporations outsources to foreign countries? because wages are lower there.

So your solution to this isn't rules and regulations. It's stealing their money directly. Brilliant.

Quote:of course they have longer wait times butare people migrating en mass to the over priced healthcare in the US or is it just people who can afford it?

I'm not saying universal coverage is perfect but so far it has performed far better than any free market approach ever did

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publicat...erspective

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01-08-2017, 03:00 PM
RE: Tomi Lahren Admits She Benefits From Obamacare, Still Wants To Nix It
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Asking a poster if he is Stalin when disagrement is about medical services policy? Right wing sets a new low it seems.

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01-08-2017, 03:10 PM
RE: Tomi Lahren Admits She Benefits From Obamacare, Still Wants To Nix It
(01-08-2017 03:00 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  @Hitcher70

Asking a poster if he is Stalin when disagrement is about medical services policy? Right wing sets a new low it seems.

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I wasn't asking him if he's Stalin when disagreeing about his "medical services policy".

I was asking him he's Stalin when he said.... "the top income earners don't spend a larger percent of their incomes as compared to the middle and working class simply due to the fact that there is a limit to the quantity of a commodity's that anyone will buy meaning money stagnates rather than circulating" and presented it as reasoning to take away individual's monies.

It's clearly Socialist.
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01-08-2017, 03:15 PM
RE: Tomi Lahren Admits She Benefits From Obamacare, Still Wants To Nix It
(01-08-2017 03:10 PM)Hitcher70 Wrote:  
(01-08-2017 03:00 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  @Hitcher70

Asking a poster if he is Stalin when disagrement is about medical services policy? Right wing sets a new low it seems.

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I wasn't asking him if he's Stalin when disagreeing about his "medical services policy".

I was asking him he's Stalin when he said.... "the top income earners don't spend a larger percent of their incomes as compared to the middle and working class simply due to the fact that there is a limit to the quantity of a commodity's that anyone will buy meaning money stagnates rather than circulating" and presented it as reasoning to take away individual's monies.

It's clearly Socialist.

There is a huge difference between "socialist" and Stalin ... in case you didn't know that.
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01-08-2017, 03:20 PM
RE: Tomi Lahren Admits She Benefits From Obamacare, Still Wants To Nix It
(01-08-2017 03:15 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
(01-08-2017 03:10 PM)Hitcher70 Wrote:  I wasn't asking him if he's Stalin when disagreeing about his "medical services policy".

I was asking him he's Stalin when he said.... "the top income earners don't spend a larger percent of their incomes as compared to the middle and working class simply due to the fact that there is a limit to the quantity of a commodity's that anyone will buy meaning money stagnates rather than circulating" and presented it as reasoning to take away individual's monies.

It's clearly Socialist.

There is a huge difference between "socialist" and Stalin ... in case you didn't know that.


Not all socialists are Stalins but all Stalins are socialists?

If you're in agreement with his comment then...
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