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09-06-2015, 05:21 PM
RE: Too Many Big Words
(09-06-2015 03:06 PM)Tonechaser77 Wrote:  
(09-06-2015 01:17 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  Sorry about that. I should have mentioned that. You can start at post 33 on page two. That is where the follower of the Urantia book engaged me and then another Cristian named JacksBratt engaged me a little further on. He is the one who claimed I used too many big words.

This is exactly why I can't get involved with forums like that. My blood pressure would be through the roof. I can't justify debating someone who refuses to look at logic. There are so many intellectual infants crawling around the thread you posted that I was turning a red-ish orange hue from just reading the back and forth between you and Colter. Blah. Eff that man! You're a better person than I.
A brief peruse through that forum was enough to make me want to start smashing my living room up in frustration. The clincher was a thread in their teen area giving advice on how to avoid the sinful temptation to masturbate...

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09-06-2015, 05:27 PM
RE: Too Many Big Words
(08-06-2015 06:54 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  Christian just told me that my argument used too many big words so it's invalid. Priceless!

argument ad intellectual

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09-06-2015, 05:53 PM
RE: Too Many Big Words
(09-06-2015 05:21 PM)LostLegend Wrote:  
(09-06-2015 03:06 PM)Tonechaser77 Wrote:  This is exactly why I can't get involved with forums like that. My blood pressure would be through the roof. I can't justify debating someone who refuses to look at logic. There are so many intellectual infants crawling around the thread you posted that I was turning a red-ish orange hue from just reading the back and forth between you and Colter. Blah. Eff that man! You're a better person than I.
A brief peruse through that forum was enough to make me want to start smashing my living room up in frustration. The clincher was a thread in their teen area giving advice on how to avoid the sinful temptation to masturbate...

Inbred, monobrow wearing, slack-jawed, knuckle dragging fucking primitives! Weeping

I've tried to be on my best behavior over there but I did get a warning about promoting pre-marital sex for a comment that sex was such an important part of a marriage that anyone thinking about marriage should have sex before making that commitment.

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09-06-2015, 05:56 PM
RE: Too Many Big Words
(09-06-2015 04:01 PM)Clockwork Wrote:  Just reading that thread irritates me. Are Colter and JacksBratt always that dense?

Colter is. I've had some knock down drag outs with him before. He's easy to beat like a drum though because he contradicts himself regularly. He believes in the Urantia book after all. I haven't had any dealings with JacksBratt.

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09-06-2015, 06:50 PM
RE: Too Many Big Words
(08-06-2015 06:54 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  Christian just told me that my argument used too many big words so it's invalid. Priceless!

I've put up with this too on a few occasions.

Every time it's stunned me; I dun be usin' basic words for the subject, you brainless twat.

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09-06-2015, 07:51 PM
RE: Too Many Big Words
(09-06-2015 06:50 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(08-06-2015 06:54 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  Christian just told me that my argument used too many big words so it's invalid. Priceless!

I've put up with this too on a few occasions.

Every time it's stunned me; I dun be usin' basic words for the subject, you brainless twat.

I have to remind myself that I was once almost as ignorant back when I was a Christian.

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09-06-2015, 08:00 PM
RE: Too Many Big Words
(09-06-2015 07:51 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  
(09-06-2015 06:50 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  I've put up with this too on a few occasions.

Every time it's stunned me; I dun be usin' basic words for the subject, you brainless twat.

I have to remind myself that I was once almost as ignorant back when I was a Christian.

You've a luxury I never will, man. You have that experience you can use.

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09-06-2015, 08:35 PM (This post was last modified: 09-06-2015 10:44 PM by Worom.)
RE: Too Many Big Words
(09-06-2015 07:51 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  
(09-06-2015 06:50 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  I've put up with this too on a few occasions.

Every time it's stunned me; I dun be usin' basic words for the subject, you brainless twat.

I have to remind myself that I was once almost as ignorant back when I was a Christian.

I had to reread your metaphysical primacy explanation in post 61 a couple times, took me a moment to grasp Sad

I just finished reading the rest of the thread, watching them squirm was enjoyable. I can't believe that one of them claimed existence doesn't exist I was like uhhhhmmm???

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10-06-2015, 08:28 AM
RE: Too Many Big Words
(09-06-2015 08:35 PM)Worom Wrote:  
(09-06-2015 07:51 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  I have to remind myself that I was once almost as ignorant back when I was a Christian.

I had to reread your metaphysical primacy explanation in post 61 a couple times, took me a moment to grasp Sad

I just finished reading the rest of the thread, watching them squirm was enjoyable. I can't believe that one of them claimed existence doesn't exist I was like uhhhhmmm???

That's not a mark against you. It took me a while to grasp it and its implications. It's a principle which is just taken for granted and never discussed, probably because it is a real party pooper. It doesn't allow for things like creator gods and miracles. It also firmly establishes that there is a fundamental distinction between the real and the imaginary. I've been using this argument for a couple of years and it as yet has not even been scratched. I honestly don't think it can be scratched. To deny either premise would be to commit a logical fallacy.

There is a way to use the same principle in an argument but in a way that it is easily understood. It works off of that very same distinction between the real and the imaginary.

1. The imaginary is not real.

2. Things which are not real do not actually exist.

3. If the Christian God is imaginary, then it is not real and does not actually exist.

4. The Christian God is imaginary.

Therefore the Christian God is not real and does not actually exist.

This argument was formulated as far as I know by Dawson Betkrith of Incinerating Presuppositionalism. Theist will find it just as difficult to deal with. Or you can simply ask them: how can I reliably distinguish what you are calling God from something that you are merely imagining? Same principle but presented in a way that anyone, even Christians, can understand. Ask it and watch them squirm.

When Dawson presented this argument on his blog, unbelievably the Christians all attacked premise one. It demonstrates their commitment to the primacy of consciousness. Their program simply falls apart if a distinction is made between the real and the imaginary.

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10-06-2015, 08:46 AM
RE: Too Many Big Words
(10-06-2015 08:28 AM)true scotsman Wrote:  
(09-06-2015 08:35 PM)Worom Wrote:  I had to reread your metaphysical primacy explanation in post 61 a couple times, took me a moment to grasp Sad

I just finished reading the rest of the thread, watching them squirm was enjoyable. I can't believe that one of them claimed existence doesn't exist I was like uhhhhmmm???

That's not a mark against you. It took me a while to grasp it and its implications. It's a principle which is just taken for granted and never discussed, probably because it is a real party pooper. It doesn't allow for things like creator gods and miracles. It also firmly establishes that there is a fundamental distinction between the real and the imaginary. I've been using this argument for a couple of years and it as yet has not even been scratched. I honestly don't think it can be scratched. To deny either premise would be to commit a logical fallacy.

There is a way to use the same principle in an argument but in a way that it is easily understood. It works off of that very same distinction between the real and the imaginary.

1. The imaginary is not real.

2. Things which are not real do not actually exist.

3. If the Christian God is imaginary, then it is not real and does not actually exist.

4. The Christian God is imaginary.

Therefore the Christian God is not real and does not actually exist.

This argument was formulated as far as I know by Dawson Betkrith of Incinerating Presuppositionalism. Theist will find it just as difficult to deal with. Or you can simply ask them: how can I reliably distinguish what you are calling God from something that you are merely imagining? Same principle but presented in a way that anyone, even Christians, can understand. Ask it and watch them squirm.

When Dawson presented this argument on his blog, unbelievably the Christians all attacked premise one. It demonstrates their commitment to the primacy of consciousness. Their program simply falls apart if a distinction is made between the real and the imaginary.

Sorry, no. #4 is simply begging the question. It assumes the conclusion.

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