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26-05-2015, 05:50 PM (This post was last modified: 26-05-2015 05:55 PM by Mr Woof.)
Tortured Babies and Fetuses.
Christianity may be seen as developing in many bizarre ways as it's proponents sought newer and better ways to intimidate and control the masses.

In it's first hundred years church fathers went off on numerous tangents in their endeavours to make sense of the senseless..
As it turns out the 'leading light' was seen to be Augustine whose teaching became firmly established within Roman Catholicism, along with the dogma relating to the permanent impediment of 'original sin'. While there were dissenting voices, it was generally held vaguely and idiotically that mankind, except for a pre- chosen number, were doomed to an eternal Hell. The fall from 'perfection' was held to be fatal except for the numbers chosen through God's love and infinite grace to be given a reprieve.

As to how this notion actually impacted on the peasant majority is difficult to equate.
Just keeping alive was a major issue in itself, what with plagues, religious wars, the Inquisition, and a corrupt Church often working hand in hand with an inbred royal elite. As 'holy writ' was the domain only of the Church much of the garbled directives may well have fell on the deaf ears of those seeking even the weirdest type of hope.

It is interesting that until the Reformation the teaching of pre- destination could co-exist with paid prayers for the dead, the purchase of relics to ensure such and other pecuniary methods to milk an ignorant populace. Where was the point of all this if the 'chosen elite' had already been consigned to Hell or Heaven? The fact that the torturing of babies was questioned even by the peasants may be seen as a factor here and a degree of ambiguity utilized in a pragmatically useful way. Much later Purgatory (now once again defunct) was introduced as another sop.

It was in part the indulgences, paid for prayer, and many other issues that led to the Reformation and Luther's development of Protestantism. Unfortunately this turned out to be no better than the original, with even more emphasis on 'original sin' and the damning nature of such. Like Augustine the permanent torture of babies loomed as a problem for Luther, but he too had difficulties in reconciling God's autocratic plan and the avoidance of such.

Pre destination and original sin was possibly promoted more by Calvin, an escapee lawyer from Catholic violence, whose Institutes became the source behind an even more fanatical approach to preaching which would become known as Calvinism.
Speaking of babies (Institutes) he states 'before we behold the light of life....we are in the sight of God defiled and polluted' and again ' the impurity of the parents is so transmitted that all without a single exception are polluted as soon as they exist'.Where the Catholics tended to pussy foot around ever enduring baby torture Calvin is far more forecful in pushing that dogma.

Calvinism spread somewhat erratically. There were the French Hugenots, the Puritans(later called Congregationalists) Scottish Presbyterians and others who took quite strongly to the cause. Later Max Weber, in Protestanism and the Christian Work Ethic would see pre destination a factor in the attitudes required to make capitalism prosper.

In sum I would suggest that Calvinism is perhaps one of the worst aspects of Christianity. The more general notion that good works will help the Christian appears totally negated and replaced by a vague hope that one might be among the chosen elite. Not much to go for there, and another reason why agnosticism and atheism is ever increasing
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28-05-2015, 09:54 PM
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This is not a very good representation of Calvinism. First, those that are not the elect will never hope that they are elect because they are totally depraved (this is the first point of Calvinism). Well, actually, I'll stop there for time's sake. Smile

"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:" Peter 3:15

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28-05-2015, 11:51 PM (This post was last modified: 29-05-2015 12:01 AM by Mr Woof.)
RE: Tortured Babies and Fetuses.
(28-05-2015 09:54 PM)Spectre Wrote:  This is not a very good representation of Calvinism. First, those that are not the elect will never hope that they are elect because they are totally depraved (this is the first point of Calvinism). Well, actually, I'll stop there for time's sake. Smile
So am I right in suggesting that 'the unaware' simply exist for god's ego/glory.
What constitutes depravity to god anyway?Our secular lives are not privy to the rationale behind some obscure Heavenly domain. Have you ever pondered on how the righteousness of total power/perfection/ and infinite knowledge can be assessed. Such questioning turns out as taboo in Christian circles as the first premise has to be based of conjecture. A god beyond a reasonable human understanding, who creates beings to suffer in this world, then for an eternity in Hell
is hardly worth even contemplating.
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