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25-10-2013, 08:06 PM
Transgender Roles
Do transgender people reinforce gender roles and stereotype? Feeling uncomfortable in your own is fine, but are they reinforcing societal ideas of femininity  and masculinity? Example, a quote you hear from trans peeps is "I've always felt like a  X". 
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25-10-2013, 08:12 PM
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(25-10-2013 08:06 PM)BrokenQuill92 Wrote:  Do transgender people reinforce gender roles and stereotype? Feeling uncomfortable in your own is fine, but are they reinforcing societal ideas of femininity  and masculinity? Example, a quote you hear from trans peeps is "I've always felt like a  X". 

Why must we pretend there are no physical real differences between the sexes? I not saying that one is better than the other but to pretend that Men and Women are identical is asinine.

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25-10-2013, 08:26 PM
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Transgenders are like Athiests, only the rude obnoxious ones go public. JK Smile

It would be an interesting census question, " do you feel like the opposite sex " , imagine how many people would double take on that question.

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25-10-2013, 09:11 PM
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Even if gender roles are arbitrary and societally created, that has no bearing on the validity of identifying with some aspects over others.

Hmm. Make that especially if.

Although it is then certainly true that if gender roles were less omnipresent and invariant then transgendered as opposed to strictly transsexual wouldn't really be nor need to be a thing...

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25-10-2013, 10:16 PM
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There are definitely differences between men and women. I think many people possess characteristics typically assigned to both genders. Gender is a continuum. Most of us fall somewhere in the middle, a few on the far ends. Trans folks just fall closer to the opposite side of the continuum than the gear they're equipped with should suggest. But every trans person I've known has, after being fully realized/transitioned into the opposite gender, still possessed somewhat androgynous characteristics. Most of the MtF friends I have are complete tomboys and have no interest in being what most people would consider more feminine. They all also identify as lesbian or bisexual. I think there's a lot of feelings of identity and belonging tied to gender aside from sexuality or societal roles that some of just don't get because we haven't really been in a position where it was paramount. I have far more masculine traits personality wise than I do feminine ones, but it's never made me think I should have been born with a penis. I'm honestly not sure where those feelings come from, only that they can be devastating to the person.

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25-10-2013, 11:34 PM
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Time to educate...

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26-10-2013, 01:52 AM
RE: Transgender Roles
(25-10-2013 08:06 PM)BrokenQuill92 Wrote:  Do transgender people reinforce gender roles and stereotype? Feeling uncomfortable in your own is fine, but are they reinforcing societal ideas of femininity  and masculinity? Example, a quote you hear from trans peeps is "I've always felt like a  X". 

Male and female brains differ.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16] There is a cultural overlay which contributes to a culture-specific expression of gender but underneath that is a biological base.[17][18][19][20][21][22]

Broadly speaking there are two types of transexualism: primary and autogynophelic. Autogynephilia is not genuine transexualism, it is a narcissistic personality disorder in which a male becomes erotically and romantically attached to the female version of himself and it occurs almost exclusively in men.[23][24][25] Primary transexualism on the other hand appears to be due to a masculinised brain in a female body and a feminised brain in masculine body.[26][27][28][28][29][30] Given what is known about the neurobiology of sex and gender, reports of an incongruity between physical sex and subjective identity are to be expected. Those in gender and queer studies departments that blather interminably about the social construction of gender need to educate themselves. The narratives of (primary) transexuals provide another converging strand of evidence that males and females are essentially different.

I don't have any solid evidence but I believe it is the autogynephile that tends to choose a hyperfeminine and very stereotypical expression of femininity. The self-infatuation would tend to cloud judgement and this would explain why some MtF transexuals choose ridiculous first names that sound more like porn star names and which imply physical attractiveness and powers of seduction even when these qualities are clearly absent.
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26-10-2013, 07:14 AM
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(25-10-2013 08:12 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Why must we pretend there are no physical real differences between the sexes? I not saying that one is better than the other but to pretend that Men and Women are identical is asinine.

I hear this argument all the time, but I can't recall ever hearing anyone saying there are no physical difference between the sexes. I mean, men have penis and women have vaginas, that's a physical difference. Among other things.

Also, the topic is about gender, not "physical difference between the sexes."

I have noticed, in the time I've spent on transgender internet forums and in real life, that a lot of the MTFs tend to seem very hyperfeminine, but I always interpreted it as overcompensating.
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26-10-2013, 09:51 AM
RE: Transgender Roles
(25-10-2013 08:06 PM)BrokenQuill92 Wrote:  Do transgender people reinforce gender roles and stereotype?

(26-10-2013 07:14 AM)amyb Wrote:  I hear this argument all the time, but I can't recall ever hearing anyone saying there are no physical difference between the sexes. I mean, men have penis and women have vaginas, that's a physical difference. Among other things.

Also, the topic is about gender, not "physical difference between the sexes."

I have noticed, in the time I've spent on transgender internet forums and in real life, that a lot of the MTFs tend to seem very hyperfeminine, but I always interpreted it as overcompensating.

That is the bit I was referring to. I didn't make this clear but I actually meant there are physical differences in the brain chemistry and make-up between men and women. Women tend to have better olfactory senses and are much better at color distinguishing than men. Men on the other hand are better at spacial calculations and are better at physical tasks on average of course there are outliers on either side but the salient point remains.

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26-10-2013, 05:03 PM
RE: Transgender Roles
(25-10-2013 11:34 PM)PoolBoyG Wrote:  Time to educate...

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I cry foul! The organ responsible for pumping blood has almost nothing to do with who or what I am attracted to aside from providing blood to my brain! Also, that's a terrible depiction of that organ.

Identity comes from the brain. In all likelihood my brain gets my sense of identity in part from nature and in part by nurture. Sexual attraction (and any other part of attraction for that matter) is part of my identity. The sexual organs I possess has little to do with my brain, outside of my brain telling my body what to grow when I was a very young person indeed. I'm not even certain on that point either, not really my area of expertise, but I suppose my mother's brain had more to do with it. Again, I am talking out of my ass on the sexual organs aspect.

Also, I'm calling into question the very existence of a genderbread man/woman with brains, hearts, and sexual organs. Chippy provided wayyy to many citations. You provided none.




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