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18-05-2015, 06:49 AM
RE: Trending now: the religious "nones"
(17-05-2015 07:42 PM)AtheosTempelis Wrote:  Atheism has suddenly got the attention of the mainstream press. We're #2!

Today's Meet the Press (5/17/2015) called out some statistics on reported religious affiliation. The unaffiliated have made amazing gains in the past 7 years.
Whether this is real growth in nonbelief, or just better counting, it's a good thing.

"The Pew Research Center reported that the number of Americans who are not affiliated with any religion rose almost seven points from 2007 to 2014"

"These are self-described atheist agnostics, and those who have no firm affiliation at all, the religious 'nones' as Pew is calling them. And they now make up almost a quarter of the population. By the way, that's about equal to the catholic population in this country."

"...the number of Americans who identify with major religions, Catholics, evangelicals, Jews, et cetera, other protestant groups, they have declined. The religious 'none' category is now ranked second in religious self-identification, after evangelicals. Seven years ago, they ranked at the very bottom of this list."

A transcript of the show is available here:
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/me...15-n360261
Search that page for the phrase "NerdScreen time" to find the above quotes.
(The NerdScreen is an MTP segment where they talk about new statistics.)

Original Pew demographic study, America's Changing Religious Landscape:
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/ameri...landscape/

A reminder to all of you in the atheist community:
Fill out those Pew, Census, etc. surveys whenever you have the chance. Stand up and be counted.

Enjoy.

PEW: RELIGIOUS ‘NONES’ TEND TO BE UNDEREDUCATED, POOR, WHITE MALES

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...ite-males/
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18-05-2015, 07:04 AM
RE: Trending now: the religious "nones"
(18-05-2015 06:49 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(17-05-2015 07:42 PM)AtheosTempelis Wrote:  Atheism has suddenly got the attention of the mainstream press. We're #2!

Today's Meet the Press (5/17/2015) called out some statistics on reported religious affiliation. The unaffiliated have made amazing gains in the past 7 years.
Whether this is real growth in nonbelief, or just better counting, it's a good thing.

"The Pew Research Center reported that the number of Americans who are not affiliated with any religion rose almost seven points from 2007 to 2014"

"These are self-described atheist agnostics, and those who have no firm affiliation at all, the religious 'nones' as Pew is calling them. And they now make up almost a quarter of the population. By the way, that's about equal to the catholic population in this country."

"...the number of Americans who identify with major religions, Catholics, evangelicals, Jews, et cetera, other protestant groups, they have declined. The religious 'none' category is now ranked second in religious self-identification, after evangelicals. Seven years ago, they ranked at the very bottom of this list."

A transcript of the show is available here:
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/me...15-n360261
Search that page for the phrase "NerdScreen time" to find the above quotes.
(The NerdScreen is an MTP segment where they talk about new statistics.)

Original Pew demographic study, America's Changing Religious Landscape:
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/ameri...landscape/

A reminder to all of you in the atheist community:
Fill out those Pew, Census, etc. surveys whenever you have the chance. Stand up and be counted.

Enjoy.

PEW: RELIGIOUS ‘NONES’ TEND TO BE UNDEREDUCATED, POOR, WHITE MALES

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...ite-males/


Quote:Though not necessarily a causal relationship, the correlation indicates in fact that the more educated one is, the less likely one will identify as religiously unaffiliated.

All kinds of possible reasons for that.

But - grass roots are good. That is exactly the demographic of religious people that is the most troublesome. I see it as a positive.

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18-05-2015, 07:14 AM
RE: Trending now: the religious "nones"
(18-05-2015 06:49 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(17-05-2015 07:42 PM)AtheosTempelis Wrote:  Atheism has suddenly got the attention of the mainstream press. We're #2!

Today's Meet the Press (5/17/2015) called out some statistics on reported religious affiliation. The unaffiliated have made amazing gains in the past 7 years.
Whether this is real growth in nonbelief, or just better counting, it's a good thing.

"The Pew Research Center reported that the number of Americans who are not affiliated with any religion rose almost seven points from 2007 to 2014"

"These are self-described atheist agnostics, and those who have no firm affiliation at all, the religious 'nones' as Pew is calling them. And they now make up almost a quarter of the population. By the way, that's about equal to the catholic population in this country."

"...the number of Americans who identify with major religions, Catholics, evangelicals, Jews, et cetera, other protestant groups, they have declined. The religious 'none' category is now ranked second in religious self-identification, after evangelicals. Seven years ago, they ranked at the very bottom of this list."

A transcript of the show is available here:
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/me...15-n360261
Search that page for the phrase "NerdScreen time" to find the above quotes.
(The NerdScreen is an MTP segment where they talk about new statistics.)

Original Pew demographic study, America's Changing Religious Landscape:
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/ameri...landscape/

A reminder to all of you in the atheist community:
Fill out those Pew, Census, etc. surveys whenever you have the chance. Stand up and be counted.

Enjoy.

PEW: RELIGIOUS ‘NONES’ TEND TO BE UNDEREDUCATED, POOR, WHITE MALES

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...ite-males/

The Breitbart article appears to be bullshit. The Pew survey results show no such thing.

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18-05-2015, 08:16 AM (This post was last modified: 18-05-2015 08:20 AM by Reltzik.)
RE: Trending now: the religious "nones"
(18-05-2015 06:49 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(17-05-2015 07:42 PM)AtheosTempelis Wrote:  Atheism has suddenly got the attention of the mainstream press. We're #2!

Today's Meet the Press (5/17/2015) called out some statistics on reported religious affiliation. The unaffiliated have made amazing gains in the past 7 years.
Whether this is real growth in nonbelief, or just better counting, it's a good thing.

"The Pew Research Center reported that the number of Americans who are not affiliated with any religion rose almost seven points from 2007 to 2014"

"These are self-described atheist agnostics, and those who have no firm affiliation at all, the religious 'nones' as Pew is calling them. And they now make up almost a quarter of the population. By the way, that's about equal to the catholic population in this country."

"...the number of Americans who identify with major religions, Catholics, evangelicals, Jews, et cetera, other protestant groups, they have declined. The religious 'none' category is now ranked second in religious self-identification, after evangelicals. Seven years ago, they ranked at the very bottom of this list."

A transcript of the show is available here:
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/me...15-n360261
Search that page for the phrase "NerdScreen time" to find the above quotes.
(The NerdScreen is an MTP segment where they talk about new statistics.)

Original Pew demographic study, America's Changing Religious Landscape:
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/ameri...landscape/

A reminder to all of you in the atheist community:
Fill out those Pew, Census, etc. surveys whenever you have the chance. Stand up and be counted.

Enjoy.

PEW: RELIGIOUS ‘NONES’ TEND TO BE UNDEREDUCATED, POOR, WHITE MALES

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...ite-males/

Actually -- and this is easy to verify with some very, very quick fact-checking by simply clicking on the links in the Breitbart article -- Pew creates the "none" category out of three groups of survey respondents: Those who identify as "atheist", "agnostic", and "unaffiliated". The "nothing in particular" response was given its own category and is NOT counted as part of the "nones". A side-by-side comparison shows that "nothing in particular" does, indeed, trend more strongly towards low income and less-education than do atheists, agnostics, and unaffiliated.

(Tellingly, the Breitbart article takes no notice whatsoever that the largest subset of the Evangelical category, Baptists, have a 48% "high-school or less" level of education. Perhaps Evangelicals are the ones who need to be sent to college?)

The Breitbart article is citing numbers from the "nothing in particular" category. It is then quite blatantly conflating these numbers with the unrelated "none" category, and then goes on to present them as indicative of the "atheist" and "agnostic" categories, when those categories have significantly higher education and incomes. This is pure deceptive practice by a clearly untrustworthy and dishonest actor, calumny at its clumsiest, and only the most naive and gullible reader could possibly fall for it.

A more unbiased summary is provided by Pew itself:

Quote:The percentage of college graduates who identify with Christianity has declined by nine percentage points since 2007 (from 73% to 64%). The Christian share of the population has declined by a similar amount among those with less than a college education (from 81% to 73%). Religious “nones” now constitute 24% of all college graduates (up from 17%) and 22% of those with less than a college degree (up from 16%).

Of note, Christians represent a larger share of those without a college education (73%) than with (64%). This despite the fact that Christians trend considerably older, and are thus less likely to be in the middle of pursuing a college degree. Again, the Breitbart article makes no mention of this.

Also, while I mentioned the economic categories because the Breitbart article did, unlike that article's author I put little weight in them for purpose of judging the quality of membership of any of these religions categories. First, because I don't think a person's worth is measured by their wallet. Second, because the various "none" categories trend much younger than the general population, and younger people tend to have lower incomes. Not only have they not had as much time to build their careers, but they've been hit harder by the economic reversals of the past decade and are operating under fewer advantages and more pressures than the previous generation. Without being able to disentangle these variables for a true side-by-side comparison, any information to be extracted from them (and why is that information important, again?) would unavoidably confuse these factors.
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18-05-2015, 08:22 AM
RE: Trending now: the religious "nones"
(18-05-2015 08:16 AM)Reltzik Wrote:  
(18-05-2015 06:49 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  PEW: RELIGIOUS ‘NONES’ TEND TO BE UNDEREDUCATED, POOR, WHITE MALES

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...ite-males/

why is that information important, again?

It must be important, he put it in caps Rolleyes

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18-05-2015, 09:05 AM
RE: Trending now: the religious "nones"
(18-05-2015 05:50 AM)Dom Wrote:  It's the first baby step in coming out for many, many closeted atheists - checking a box on a survey.

I think there are many more closeted folks than we think. I never meet open atheists my age in real life, but when I steer the conversation to that topic, many will profess not to believe in religion. The word atheist is still scary.

This is actually very important - the more come out and check an appropriate box, the more will see it and do the same. This news will embolden people. I see it a a HUGE win for us.

I admit to hedging my bets by identifying as a freethinker rather than an atheist. Atheist implies Horrible Person to many, but freethinker seems to imply something more like Cute Eccentric.

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18-05-2015, 10:10 AM
RE: Trending now: the religious "nones"
(18-05-2015 06:49 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  PEW: RELIGIOUS ‘NONES’ TEND TO BE UNDEREDUCATED, POOR, WHITE MALES

What a coincidence. That's precisely the audience Breitbart appeals to.

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18-05-2015, 10:40 AM
RE: Trending now: the religious "nones"
(18-05-2015 06:49 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(17-05-2015 07:42 PM)AtheosTempelis Wrote:  Atheism has suddenly got the attention of the mainstream press. We're #2!

Today's Meet the Press (5/17/2015) called out some statistics on reported religious affiliation. The unaffiliated have made amazing gains in the past 7 years.
Whether this is real growth in nonbelief, or just better counting, it's a good thing.

"The Pew Research Center reported that the number of Americans who are not affiliated with any religion rose almost seven points from 2007 to 2014"

"These are self-described atheist agnostics, and those who have no firm affiliation at all, the religious 'nones' as Pew is calling them. And they now make up almost a quarter of the population. By the way, that's about equal to the catholic population in this country."

"...the number of Americans who identify with major religions, Catholics, evangelicals, Jews, et cetera, other protestant groups, they have declined. The religious 'none' category is now ranked second in religious self-identification, after evangelicals. Seven years ago, they ranked at the very bottom of this list."

A transcript of the show is available here:
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/me...15-n360261
Search that page for the phrase "NerdScreen time" to find the above quotes.
(The NerdScreen is an MTP segment where they talk about new statistics.)

Original Pew demographic study, America's Changing Religious Landscape:
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/ameri...landscape/

A reminder to all of you in the atheist community:
Fill out those Pew, Census, etc. surveys whenever you have the chance. Stand up and be counted.

Enjoy.

PEW: RELIGIOUS ‘NONES’ TEND TO BE UNDEREDUCATED, POOR, WHITE MALES

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...ite-males/

"On the other side of the spectrum, the Pew survey found only 17% of the self-identified “nothing in particulars” to be in the highest income group, those with a yearly income of $100,000 or more."

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18-05-2015, 10:57 AM
RE: Trending now: the religious "nones"
(18-05-2015 10:40 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(18-05-2015 06:49 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  PEW: RELIGIOUS ‘NONES’ TEND TO BE UNDEREDUCATED, POOR, WHITE MALES

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...ite-males/

"On the other side of the spectrum, the Pew survey found only 17% of the self-identified “nothing in particulars” to be in the highest income group, those with a yearly income of $100,000 or more."

Though the Jews and Hindu's got everyone beat, at 44%, and 36% in that income bracket.

Catholics (19%), mainline protestants (23%), Orthodox Christians (29%) also fair better here as well.
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18-05-2015, 11:15 AM (This post was last modified: 18-05-2015 11:48 AM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Trending now: the religious "nones"
(18-05-2015 06:49 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  PEW: RELIGIOUS ‘NONES’ TEND TO BE UNDEREDUCATED, POOR, WHITE MALES

30% of atheists are in the >$100K group and 42% have at least college degree. Similar statistics apply to agnostics. Not sure what point you were trying to make but it sure as shit don't apply to atheists or agnostics.

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